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Let’s face it. This isn’t going to end well. What are predictions for how Harry Windsor’s life will pan out?

I’m predicting he will causes an even bigger rift with his family and The Queen will die and Charles won’t be able to keep him in the public RF fold.

Meghan will dump him and start cashing in on how she was an abused wife and is now a strong independent single parent. Harry will be painted shockingly.

The Royal Family will be left with the mess of a) having to hide Harry somewhere and b) keep those children somehow inside the royal periphery.

It will end with you dying alone.

I'm NOT an anti-MM or Harry troll, but I don't think this current situation will be the long-term solution. I think they will eventually rejoin the royal family and he will open up about his severe mental health issues and blame the entire episode on a major mental healthy crisis. And it will likely be true!

There is apparently a lot more that has happened in Harry’s life than has ever been made public. This is why the RF pussyfoot around with him. It has been alluded to that he has attempted suicide previously.

It will never end he will last forever in the minds of the anti Harry and Megan Trolls. Forever.

I suspect he and Meghan will divorce. She will claim he abused her and get custody of the kids. He will sink into a depression of booze and drugs and die too young.

R5 Define troll! Are you now saying any thread on Datalounge that discusses a person in the public eye in a negative light is trolling?

R4 Harry is too much of a narcissist to actually seriously try and kill himself, just like his mother.

No one cares. OP. NO ONE BUT YOU.

On lipstick alley the biggest troll group is run by a middle aged Indian man. He is a notorious paid troll who currently is pretending to be a Future MD. The identities of 22 other trolls and their employer are also known. How? A huge streaming company has commissioned an investigative documentary. My source. A very high ranking investigative journalist. The trolling is replicated on multiple gossip sites by the same group. The grooming of the middle aged white woman and the tactic used to hook them is also going to be discussed indepth. One very popular blog was used as klan granny bait. You will see a timeline of the grooming. Then be blown away when you find out who is involved in the site.

Meghan's not cashing in. Not with her history.

The only version winning for Harry would be divorcing the Old Lady and quietly retiring to the country. He can be the friendly town drunk that everyone humors because he's generous with his open tab (that his daddy, and then brother pays for). Eventually he'll be so out of it, they'll just prop him up in a back booth at the local pub with sunglasses until they realize he's actually for real dead. They close the tab after his funeral reception.

There is no winning for Markle. Even as the Widow of Sizzlers, Meghan will still be a pariah because she's just plain off-putting company.

Mi mom's watching ovah me. She talks to me all da time. It sounds pretty bonkers, innit?

I don’t think HaM will divorce.

I think their ventures will fail, and they will fade into obscurity. So long as Charles is alive, Charles will always slip Harry money.

She'll top herself. He'll go into seclusion and emerge from it on the night THEY were scheduled to present Best Picture at The Oscars. He'll slowly walk to to podium amid defeaning (piped in on speakers) applause, silence the (bored with him already) audience, and say, "Hello everyone. This... is... Mr. ... Meghan (sob) Markle."

Yes after his fabulous renditions of songs including “Born in a Palace” and “The Mam That Got Away”

My prediction - after Charles takes the throne, public support for the royal system will quickly erode, causing a crisis, which will lead to William and Kate engaging in more public demonstrations to try to get the public to wait patiently for Charles to go. This will infuriate Charles and lead to him misplaying his hand further. As a result, over the next few decades, there will be some kind of understanding reached that will dramatically reduce the meaning and power of the monarchy and leave the family as closer to private figures. (And frankly, I think Will and Kate will breathe a sigh of relief at this and enjoy not having to pretend to do anything other than enjoy being rich people. George will never be viewed as an actual King, the way Charles will be when he inherits.)

Through all of this, Harry and Meghan will stay together, but out in the US, and will make only snide and indirect commentary on it (backseat driving and “I told you so” type stuff). Once their kids are teenagers or older, they will start dividing time between the UK and the US. They may even send their kids to board in the UK for school. At some point, Harry and Will will publicly appear to reconcile, but will never spend much, if any, private time together again. Meghan and Kate will never acknowledge each other again.

However, I think their kids will end up being curious about each other and then very close, once they get old enough to talk directly.

He'll leave Meghan when he has an affair and realizes Meg is toxic, and she'll show he's right by accusing him of abuse, alcoholism, and insanity, and get primary custody. She'll drag the kids onto reality TV and social media, and Harry will slink off to do what he should have done in the first place, use a bit of Charles's money to start a game preserve in Africa.

Which might have been great for him when he was younger, but it'll be too late, and he'll sink into alcoholism and spend his days getting hammered, calling Charles and demanding money, and screaming at the help. They won't all leave, because Charles will be paying the tech-savvy ones quite a bit, to keep Harry off of social media...

R19 I think your prediction is probably the most likely. However there is one thing I don’t think will ever successfully take.

Meghan’s attempts at ‘profile celebrity’ either using the children or not, will never work. She is so dull and boring and totally lacking in any kind of understanding or human nature. She will keep on trying to act all saintly and virtuous and never understand nobody buys into it. She will end up behaving in a more notorious way as the years go by and I predict she will come unstuck.

It won’t be for many years that we hear the real story and it will be the children (as adults) who will eventually tell it.

R20, she's stuck pretending to be dull, boring, saintly, and virtuous, because she's still royalty. After the divorce, she'll not only be free to let the claws come out, she'll *have* to if she wants anyone to be interested in her!

Of course she'll still try to pretend she's some sort of anti-racist anti-domestic-violence activist, but if she wants to be on reality TV she'll have to let them film her screaming at the staff and into a phone where her ex-husband is supposedly screaming back.

You know someone is seriously unstable when prostitutes near his military base refuse to service him because he is too violent. Cressida said Harry was rough in bed.

They'll divorce and he'll end up with a blonde British woman of appropriate social class. He won't love her, but she'll play the role correctly and he'll be so embarrassed by his doomed escape that he'll put up with it all.

He'll probably spend most of his time in Africa, drinking etc to die early in his fifties or sixties. I don't think we'll hear much from him, and I think he'll shun the US (he's realised how out of his depth he is amongst the sharks in Hollywood).

R23, it's kind of you to attribute the character trait of 'embarrassment' to someone who has intentionally and with malice aforethought used every and any tool at his disposal to destroy the family which brought him up, and the entire nation/kingdom/Commonwealth who embraced his 'what I want, I get' venal spouse.

I'm afraid he couldn't understand the meaning of the word if it hit him head on at 70mph in the Alma Tunnel.

P.S. Good morning to the sussex squad! Be sure to email Muriel and have me timed out again. A badge of honour, cheap at twice the price. I hut yo widdle fewwings, but it's allright when YOU close down youtube channels and rampage against selected individuals who don't go along with your steaming and bending the narrative so it fits YOUR truth just right.

I’d be tempted to say he’ll wind up like Andrew, but don’t think so. Andrew has done some fatally boneheaded things, but he hasn’t antagonized the Crown directly. Harry really stuck the knife in!

As much as the Spotify and Netflix deals are scoffed at, they do give Harry a way to build up funds without resorting to Andrew’s method of holding his hand out to random oligarchs.

I think they are going to crack under the weight of relentless public rejection and ridicule plus dwindling offers and funds. Harry will make a strong case for going back under the BRF's protective wing in the UK, but MM will resist that.

How it will end for the idiot princeling?

Substance abuse. Overdosing, heart attack, or suicide.

And La Markle will enjoy the attention playing the role of the grief-stricken widow victim being left with Merchie und Lilibuck, wallowing in narc self-pity and accusing the BRF, amongst other things, of not providing for the late Duke's offspring by not giving them HRHs. LOL.

There is a story in today's faul that the RF would welcome him and his wife back to the yoo kay and will provide them with armed security. I'm not joking. I'm not going to link it, but go to the site and click on the UK field on the home page.

Tell me this isn't true. I'm pasting the headline to the story below:

The Queen beams as she is driven to see her horses at Sandringham - as it emerges she and Prince Charles are 'keen' to welcome Harry and Meghan to 'family' Jubilee events Buckingham Palace said to have promised Sussexes full armed security at events

I agree money combined with contempt is a reasonable theory about what could end the marriage. If she were smart, she'd leverage her last materiel and get what she can in exchange for not writing the mother of all tell alls. It's likely they've peaked. They are aging. They are without a platform that isn't reliant on market appeal. It would be hard for a woman to stretch her viability if you resembled a heavyset father as you get even older.

I was going to say he could go back into the fold eventually, after the divorce, because everybody actually does like a redemption story but I think the idea of a quieter retirement to some country in Africa and focus on conservation makes sense, as someone else suggested. There's so much bad energy now... wouldn't you need saintly constitutions to truly put in the past all that's happened? His father will probably seek some kind of rapprochement.

I agree with the post about the difference between him and the disgraced Andrew - you could argue Andrew wants to stay and pretend it never happened. Freed from his marriage would or could Harry go back to the usual now? Pride and emotion are powerful influences when they're at play.

You could argue the rest of his life will be what would have happened to Diana, had she lived, although William's influence might have steadied her over time. Had Paris happened, but not been fatal, it would have forced her to reflect.

She will cheat on him and he will get upset and come crying home to mommy, being the "victim" that all men his age are. Nothing is ever their own fault.

Or he will cheat on her which will enable her to play the victim again -- which comes in handy given the fact she loves to play the victim card. Let's also not forget about her RACISM!!! stick -- "He cheated on me because I'm not white, because he's a RACCCIST just like his entire family is!!!"

If they ever divorce, she'll come up with the racism crap again, mark my words.

The thing is that I find Markle to be bizarre. So utterly clueless about how her chosen behavior will be perceived.

I've thought for some time that she is playing by Hollywood rules. Telling big whoppers that are frankly unbelievable (claiming not to know who Harry was) or easily disproved (we were really married 3 days before the big shindig) for 2 examples. I assume that Hollywood turns a blind eye to those who fabricate a background or life story because none of it is all that important and no one will care enough to uncover any tall tales.

Despite being warned and with only a small bit of research on her part she should have been able to see that the UK press, particularly about members of the RF, and even more particularly about one of Diana's sons, would delve deeply into whatever back story she might have spun in LA without any exposure.

Why she continues to tell such obvious baloney stories, apparently assuming that they will be swallowed hook, line and sinker, despite all the debunking that continues to surface - who does that? What is her mind set? is she nuts? Does she really believe all she says? Has she convinced herself that she didn't know who Harry was?

Given that Harry is living with her in a fairly isolated environment, has she convinced him that whatever she cooks up as a story is true? Do they both believe all this?

Isn't that called "Crazy Making"?

Since he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, Harry's future looks rather bleak to me.

And the two children - living with the parents they are stuck with - chilling.

I am not at all surprised the family is going to cave to Harry’s demand for armed security. First, it’s a somewhat reasonable request. Second, the BRF needs those two clowns on side at least to some extent: to burnish PR ahead of the vulnerable state to royals will be in once the Queen goes to her rest. One of the many problems with living in a Markle-hating echo chamber as so many posters here do is it skews your perception of reality. So many of the claims I see Klan Grannies here making are exaggerated, pure fiction, or overblown.

R35, I can’t STAND her, but calling her “fat” is just inaccurate. She might not have a small waist, but she isn’t fat anymore.

It's more apt to say she is not tone. For all her yoga posturing in the early days, she clearly has no fitness regimen. It makes her look lumpy in clothes that are in the least bit body skimming. Plus, her fillers are now giving her a rounded a face. Pair that with an unfortunate boxy body frame, and she looks fat at first glance.

[quote]Or he will cheat on her which will enable her

I don't think so. He has no one on his side except her.

[quote]I am not at all surprised the family is going to cave to Harry’s demand for armed security. First, it’s a somewhat reasonable request. Second, the BRF needs those two clowns on side at least to some extent: to burnish PR ahead of the vulnerable state to royals will be in once the Queen goes to her rest. One of the many problems with living in a Markle-hating echo chamber as so many posters here do is it skews your perception of reality. So many of the claims I see Klan Grannies here making are exaggerated, pure fiction, or overblown.

They can never fake reasonable without giving themselves away at the end.

Go scam some benefits, winged monkey.

You're all arguing there's a choice. Genetics are genetics. There's only so much you can do. She is her father's daughter.

I don't think they will divorce.

Narcissists never give up and they never give in, they will both dig their heels in and refuse to admit defeat.

She will be selling housewares on QVC like Catherine Zeta Jones and perhaps a permanent co-host on The Talk or some similar shitshow where she can vomit word salad.

He will be a celebrity panelist on games shows such as Match Game, To Tell The Truth, 100k Pyramid and guest judge on DWTS, Masked Singer/Dancer, AGT, etc.

Megs is passing 40. Due to her narcissism, she will become increasingly erratic/unstable, taking her failures/ discontent/rage out on those around her, i.e., Ginger and her children. Verbal/emotional abuse becomes physical abuse becomes a nasty end for a couple of fantacists who should have stayed far away from each other.

Eh, when the money really gets tight (and it will in the next two years when all the deals have run their course and they cannot live in the style to which they are accustomed), Harry may begin to blame Meghan which will then lead to him leaving her. She will never leave him because no one else will have her and cannot make it on her own. However, leaving Meghan would mean admitting his brother was right all along. Will Harry's ego allow that or will he soldier on with Meghan no matter how soul crushing his day-to-day existence becomes?

Another option is he goes to rehab and that is the catalyst/excuse for going back home sans Meghan. He looked really rough in his latest pictures. Alcohol + coke bloat rough.

I believe the BRF would welcome them back as family members, r30. Their time as working royals would be very difficult to overturn.

I don't think they'll break up when money gets tight, when money gets tight they'll fight... but they'll also unite in trying to squeeze more money out of Charles. Nothing brings people closer than a common enemy!

I don't think she'll ever leave, not until she's run through his money, anyway. But there may come a breaking point where he leaves, where he meets a nicer woman or he spends enough time in inpatient rehab to realize she's part of the problem, whatever, he's more likely to be the one to chuck it. But when it blows up, and there's no longer any hope for her to have a foot in the BRF and she no longer has to conduct herself as if the half-in-half-out pipe dream were possible... the fur will FLY! Claws OUT! there won't be much left of him after that, and he'll be off to lead the life of a modern Remittance Man, somewhere out of public view.

I agree that she will not leave him. She cares more about fame than money, so a Russian oligarch does not appeal to her. Harry will only leave her if he develops a later-in-life fondness like Phil and Penny.

Sorry I'm not up on things, apparently - who are Phil and Penny?

Whatever happens, I doubt William will ever truly trust Harry again. He's publicly attacked Kate and the Middletons multiple times

I don't think they'll let him back into the BRF for real, now that they've seen how stupid, short-sighted, angry, and petty he is, he will never be extended any trust. If he ever goes crawling back to William or Charles, he'll be sent out to make appearances, but he'll be completely shut out of inner circles.

R18 I agree, can totally see teenage Archie and Lilibet posting on Instagram, or whatever the platform is then, pictures of the royals with hashtags like #family #famiglia #familyfirst #WindsorLyfe. Celebrity kids never let you forget their connections. They’ll be posting throwback photos of Meghan: #queen #goddess #hottestmom

It would be interesting to have a crystal ball to see the fate of this new generation. Who would've predicted in the 80s that Andrew would be in disgrace (and ugly) or 10 years ago where Harry would be? Or that Teen Heartthrob Will would be...yeah. He's still a decently handsome fellow, but as a young man he was a BEAUTY.

Will William and Kate avoid the Curse of the Spare with Charlotte and Louis? What will happen with Archie and Lilibet and all the messiness they've inherited from both their parents? Or will one of them pull a Sarah Chatto?

When I read R51, I suddenly imagined the two ending up like Madonna's children - with a similar mother, always embarrassing them - and... well, what happened to their father(s)? I can't recall - I think one of them was a theatre person?

I think the CA kids will turn out just fine. Even if their parents try to inculcate them with notions about royal status, their schoolmates (and Doria) won’t go along with that. George seems like a serious, shy child, unlikely to act out. Charlotte will either turn out wonderful or a terror. Louis, who knows? But I do think all of them will overcome whatever divide is up between their parents. Harry and Meghan’s kids especially, because they won’t have other cousins on Meghan’s side.

R55, how do you think the CA kids are going to connect with their royal cousins? On Facebook, like my sister and I had to, when our mother pulled a Meghan? And at least we had about 13 years of knowing them, with some shared memories. Those kids will be strangers to each other. And if Will and Kate are anything like normal people, they’ll have warned their children not to let any personal information slip.

Maybe when they’re adults they can connect, but I don’t see the Cambridges letting the Sussex kids into their clan.

Yes R10 - we know. How are MI5, the FBI and the CIA going with their investigations?

R52 By “pull a Sarah Chatto” do you mean by living quietly, enjoying the life of a rich hippy artist and the massive trust fund that supports it? Her brother is famously awful but I’ve never heard a word against Sarah, except for a friend who was seated next to her at dinner once and said that she was thick as two short planks. But she was barely eighteen at the time and most likely just shy.

R59 yes exactly. Her parents were famously loud and messy, but she's never made a spectacle of herself. You might even wonder if she was switched at birth.

And most importantly, her sons are HOT.

I always thought Princess Margaret was a good mother, though? She had to have done something right, if the daughter turned out OK. The son seems to have inherited the worst of both parents. I think Kate and William's kids will be fine. She's fine. Her family is fine. The worst thing in the Middletons is the brother's depression, which isn't a bad thing, just a thing. Kate and William will probably raise the most successful royal children since Princess Anne's, although much of her success was keeping them out of it.

[quote] Phil and Penny

Phil has always had a keen eye for a good-looking blonde aristo. But due to his "poor rellie" status, he's had to be VERY discreet about taking it farther than a wishful/wistful stare.

Penny - Countess Montbatten of Burma - is Phil's first cousin once removed by marriage. A very safe playmate who could fulfill his mental lust while keeping the ever-wagging tongues (and his wagging dick) at bay.

Oh please. Even in The Crown, the queen reproached Philip about 'his ballerinas'. Philip spread it around.

The Cambridge children will have no lack of family. They'll have Pippa's kids, James' kids eventually, and plenty of second cousins.

Archie and Lilibet have...Mom, Dad, and Granny Doria. They better hope she's a healthy lady.

I imagine the Camb kids will see plenty of the Tindall kids and the Philips girls. Maybe the Yorkies' kids as well.

You never know how it will play out. Eg, Prince Albert's handsome illegitimate son with the Togolese flight attendant, Alexandre Coste, is said to be beloved by the Grimaldis. Apparently Charlene hates that.

[quote] Archie and Lilibet have...Mom, Dad, and Granny Doria.

Assumption re "Granny Doria". I can't see her being interested in her grandchildren anymore than she was interested in her daughter.

R63 The Crown is fiction, not a documentary.

Phil and Penny’s relationship was so well known that the Queen herself respected it in inviting Penny to his funeral. Let’s be adults here.

The Queen said something like you can't keep men on a tight leash - sort of like she accepted a certain amount of philandering. Maybe it was just the way it was done back in her day? And there was the understanding with the press to leave royal gossip alone.

Might be related to her being fine with Andrew taking her to the memorial. Or Camilla becoming queen in due time.

Scooby Doo attacks royal aides by name.

Oh, gee, the Queen’s diary got filled up? I’m sure it was because she was avoiding Harry and not because she’s the Queen or anything.

He probably will end the same way as Princess Margeret.

She died alone, bitter, abusing booze, and felt unloved. She believed she was more suited to be Queen. But the Queen kept her at arms length. She was born the #2 Royal but she never had a real purpose.

I hope Harry finds a happier life but it doesn't look like he is reaching out for what that would take.

I see Scientology in Harry's future.

I can’t believe there is still griping about Angela Kelly and the tiara. I say that as someone who suspects Angela was behaving badly about it to try and snub Meghan. The right play there is to act above the pettiness and go on with life, even go without a tiara as a show that you’re secure enough in your status that it’s not necessary. (Imagine the furor you could arrange if it came out a royal bride went without a tiara because the Queen’s dresser snubbed her? Good press for life.) To complain about it all these eons later is such a sign of insecurity!

It’s possible that he could find his own Camilla and settle down nicely. Paul McCartney made a good match after his disastrous turn with Heather Mills. It’s possible.

[quote] I see Scientology in Harry's future.

He’s dumb enough to fall for that, and they’d love to have him in their clutches.

[quote]I can’t believe there is still griping about Angela Kelly and the tiara. I say that as someone who suspects Angela was behaving badly about it to try and snub Meghan.

Alternate theory (and for some reason I am no fan of Kelly, on no other basis than I wonder if she's a modern day John Brown, though plainly she fills some void created by the royal lifestyle.) The use of tiaras from the royal collection is probably heaped in precedent. Actual royal brides (daughters, granddaughters et al) get access to better hardware. The Queen and Kelly likely would have discussed what options were acceptable given Harry's bride on a second-marriage, who is marrying into the family, no a member marrying out. Kelly executed per her instructions (and assuming here she didn't just open the second drawer on the Queen's dresser and pull it out... assuming there's a vault and a process involved for removing items from it.) Markle wouldn't understand this at all and thought it was scene from Princess Bride and Harry, if he did understand, had chivalrously laid down his balls at this point so Markle could walk on them. A brusque and blunt and no nonsense (and probably confident or slightly spoiled by her status) Kelly shows up with the goods and affront ensues out of ignorance and besotted. The story is leaked to serve purpose at some point.

Because the other part of this is the story that the Queen gave Harry a dressing down about his behaviour. I don't doubt the Queen is afraid to give anybody a dressing down when she reaches the point wait-and-see gives way to may-I-remind-you-who-is-Queen? So if Kelly overstepped, it is equally as possible she would have had a word. But the story out there is Harry had an audience in the woodshed.

It could be the whole mess was culture clash and assuming vs. talking, but it could also be Kelly was being a snob.

R78, it’s entirety possible Kelly was being a snob. So what? Is Meghan entitled to something that’s not hers?

It’s just her oppositional nature to demand what’s not offered. She’s the type who goes to a sushi joint and demands a burger.

R72, the Duke of York was the #2 Royal when Margaret was born. She became the #2 Royal upon his Abdication as King Edward VIII.

R81, she’s the People’s Princess!

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Queen used her functionaries like Angela Kelly and her private Secretary to carry negative messages she didn’t want associated with her. Harry (who I’d guess either loves or hates people, no in-between) blames the messengers, not realizing all the messenges come from Gran.

I think there may be 2 different tiara stories.

The first would be about which tiara Meghan wanted to wear vs which tiaras she was offered to choose from. (I've read that the Queen usually selects 5 tiaras for a bride to choose from. Not that the bride checks over the entire vault of Royal Jewels.) There have been claims that she (MM) wanted to wear the tiara that Eugenie wore. Given that Eugenie had to postpone her wedding so the Harkles could tie the knot first, it seems entirely possible that Eugenie had already chosen which tiara she wanted to wear. In fact, given that she is the Queen's granddaughter, she might have chosen which was her favorite tiara even before she became engaged. This story supposedly resulted in The Queen reminding the Harkles that she (The Queen) would decide what was being offered. Not that MM could choose whatever she wanted from the whole collection.

The second tiara story had to do with MM's hairdresser (Serge Normant) arriving and MM wanting to have the tiara so that the hairdresser could use the actual tiara to consider how best to position it with possible hair styles. I think it was this story that involved Angela Kelly. When the request/demand for the tiara came from MM, Kelly supposedly advised her that there were formal appointment procedures in place to deal with accessing jewelry from the vaults. You could not just call up and demand to have a piece of jewelry right away. It was, I think, this story, that caused the Queen to chew out Harry for his anger at Angela Kelly).

Meghan's tiara episodes would certainly have called up the differences between the two soon to be sisters-in-law.

Kate wanted to wear flowers in her hair at her wedding, but was told that she had to wear a tiara. Kate therefore chose the smallest tiara from the ones she was offered.

When doing preliminary styles for her (Kate's) hair for the wedding, the Middletons bought and used a plastic tiara they bought from Claires.

When people show you who they are, you should believe them.

"[R72], the Duke of York was the #2 Royal when Margaret was born. She became the #2 Royal upon his Abdication as King Edward VIII."

Well no, she was considered to be temporarily in the #3 slot, after the Abdication. There was her father stuck with being #1 and and Princess Elizabeth at #2, at least until the King and Queen had a son. Elizabeth was never made Princess of Wales, because of that hope.

And BTW Meghan wanted to wear the emerald tiara that Eugenie wore, then it must have been out of sheer competitiveness. Green is SO not Meg's color! It makes her look sallow, she'd look better wearing rubies, or plain diamonds.

Or the hairnet she deserves.

R85 between that BORING dress and everything else, she doesn't know what she looks good in

Hillside in a small village in Vermont

Sometimes these couples that everyone predicts will spit stay together out of spite. I suspect they will stay together miserably for some time.

He'll get more drug/drink addled. He will continuously say stupid things & give us all endless laughs. He sill struggle with his blading, making him look like Friar Tuck, big time, unable to embrace it in macho style like Will, which will enflame him even more. This will be even funnier for all.

Meghan may have been trying to make emeralds her thing the same way that sapphires are Kate's thing because of Diana's ring.

Of course there's a chance Meghan will dump him after Charles dies and leaves them a good chunk of community property.

Inheritances are not community property.

R93 unless Harry is stupid enough to "commingle" the inherited assets.

The stunning stupidity of allowing himself to be photoed stretching his hole for all to see. Amazing! It now lives forever on the internet to be trotted out no matter what sh*t he tries to fling at this family or the people of the UK.

As in yeah, right Harry, How's your hole?

R95 - also, who the f*** actually stretches their hamstrings like that??

R96 - Is that what he's doing?

I thought he was passing a rude image to photographers.

Classy, really classy.

Mum would be so proud. Perhaps she will have a stern word with you when she next visits.

[quote] The second tiara story had to do with MM's hairdresser (Serge Normant) arriving and MM wanting to have the tiara so that the hairdresser could use the actual tiara to consider how best to position it with possible hair styles. I think it was this story that involved Angela Kelly. When the request/demand for the tiara came from MM, Kelly supposedly advised her that there were formal appointment procedures in place to deal with accessing jewelry from the vaults. You could not just call up and demand to have a piece of jewelry right away. It was, I think, this story, that caused the Queen to chew out Harry for his anger at Angela Kelly)

According to Tina Brown and her sources, this was the big row behind the "what Meghan wants, Meghan gets" fiasco. Apparently TQ is the one who selected the tiara she wore. Meghan didn't understand that this wasn't a dress fitting on suits and like the poster above stated, wanted the jewels at her disposal when she wanted them.

Another hilarious Australian morning talk show where they discuss Trump saying Harry is "whipped" and the panel discuss these two silly elderly men sitting on little wooden seats gossiping like school girls - and also debate how much Harry really is whipped (or not). Wish our shows were as blunt.

How much of a problem was there to solve? Her extens- hair was worn pulled back in a simple bun. It wasn't exactly a Second Empire chignon.

Harry looked quite happy at the polo. It’s a taste of his former life. Of course it’s also the most elite, expensive, privileged and dare I say white sport on the planet. But it’s Harry, so he gets to do that. Was the match for charity at least?

Did Harry's team win or lose?

Did Harry score any points?

Did Harry abuse the ponies he rode?

The polo is actually a good thing for them. It gives Harry something to do, and probably makes him happy. And it's a chance for him and Meghan to appear with high society and look quasi-royal.

I'm guessing Harry really misses England. I'm sure he loves the Calif. weather, but I predict he will travel back to the UK more and more.

Harry is the biggest catch for Meghan. She'll hold on.

I can see them living more separate lives at some point.

Megan can't participate in polo in any way, other than to stand on the sidelines as an observer. What can she pontificate about, the bloodlines/ breeding or training of the horses, the best players or matches she ever observed, the skills and strategies of the game? She is a total outlier.

The polo matches may go the way of Harry's love of hunting. Not that he has a stable or brace of polo ponies out back with the rescue chickens, but keeping up any level of training, and the equipment would be expensive. Not sure it fits with the protected Markle lifestyle.

She’s only letting him do this polo thing because it’s klassy. She’s only there to keep an eye on him and to get her wheelchair legs (for days!) photographed.

He did all of this to himself. His wife is no worse or more responsible for their current situation than is Harry.

TBH, I hope he does a lot more suffering. Sorry, but it's the truth.

It's possible that Harry is the worse of the pair, R107, I think he married her on the understanding that she'd help him get out of the BRF, and support him through merching and social media when they did. Why else would he marry so far down, to a C-list actress from a middle-class background?

Well, he wanted to escape and live free, but instead, he's dug himself into a new hole. Instead of doing what the Palace tells him to do in exchange for his luxurious lifestyle, he's doing what his hustling wife tells him what to do in exchange for his luxurious lifestyle. If he wanted self-actualization, he's failed completely, because he's such a lazy idiot.

I've watched a few days of the Heard/Depp trial. If Mr. I'm a Happy Polo Playa and his Mrs. Merchie divorce, I reckon it will be the trial of the bleeding century. Its media feeding frenzy will make his mother's demise look like a pixel in a HD image.

If so, I don't think it has anything to do with either Harry or Meghan alone - they have the charisma of turnips. Nothing close to Diana - or Johnny Depp.

Imo, they'd be enthralling because we'd be watching the possible demise of the BRF.

10 to 1 Meghan was giving her predictable doe-eyed, come hither gaze to the incredibly hot and gorgeous Nacho, Harry’s pal.

Like she did with Serena William's husband, the rich guy. You all know the pic of her flashing her fanny to him.

Meghan will not leave unless she has something better on the horizon. She was messaging rich men in the UK (Matt Cardle) for dates while living with Cory. The same month she met Harry at Invictus she dumped the chef. Harry was obviously her ticket to fame and fortune.

But I dont see what else could be in her future? Other than being Wallis 2.0 and living out the rest of her days with a pussy-whipped husband that she hates. She cant act at all, the elephant Disney voiceover Harry snagged for her turned out to be more vocal fry than David Attenborough, and she is flat out too dumb with zero fashion sense and not business-savvy enough to be a Kardashian style influencer.

Perhaps the BRF could secretly get some super rich guy to pursue MM, leading her to believe she could nab him. Stalking horse guy lets it be known he's not big on kids but hot for MM.

MM dumps H, lets him have the kids, quick divorce. Harry & kids head back to UK.

Stalking Horse guy dumps MM.

LOL.

But in all seriousness, why should any super rich AND smart guy be into narc, self-obsessed, entitled, chubby, rapidly ageing Megsy?

Elon Musk might be dumb enough to fall prey to her charms though. Didn't he have a fling with Amber fucking Heard for a few months?

Meghan doesnt have Amber Heard's looks or psychotic charm. Otherwise she wouldnt have ended up with a balding, paunchy, angry, man-child.

I just can't see her landing a Bezos, Musk, Murdoch, etc.

She's over 40 and she's incredibly indiscreet. Why would the richest men in the world want a woman who can't cross the street without alerting the press?

The fact that Meghan chose Harry as opposed to any other rich guy (i.e. an athlete or wealthy businessman), makes me think she was after the fame more than anything else.

Smegan is about to enter meanopause , the screams will be heard all the way to san diego. Harry will try to drink hisself into 24/7 stupors but the scrillness of her voice will break through, so Harry unable to take this shit anymore grasps the silver hammer and makes sure that she is dead.

R120 Brown's book makes that very clear.

R120, do you think she had a choice between Harry and some wealthy oligarch? No, she had a choice between Harry and getting a realtors license in Toronto when her acting career ended.

R120, she's a (fame)whore, darlin'!

She had a choice between Harry and that celebrity chef. She'd have been better off with the chef, establishing herself as queen of the Toronto A-listers.

R125

[quote] She'd have been better off with the chef, establishing herself as queen of the Toronto A-listers.

Reminds me of the quote from a Dirty Harry movie...

[quote] A Man's gotta know his limitations.

Or in this case... A woman.

She's no Wendi Deng, that's for damn sure

Harry reminds me of a saying an old Irish friend of mine used to say (about someone else):

He's like a dog's cock, he just goes where it's shoved.

That pretty much sums up Harry.

Time is not on the side of the Markles. If they were say, 10 years younger they might have a chance. They're middle aged now, running out of steam, relying on tabloid level gossip books (slanging BRF) for revenue, losing projects, and interest. They're so desperate for relevancy, recognition, increased fame, etc that upon their return from Invictus in the Netherlands, some nutty article appeared broadcasting that Meghan might be running for political office in the U.S.

They are D.E.S.P.E.R.A.T.E.

Be prepared for Will's fury once the Queen passes, and Charles gets pre-occupied with being King. Wills will start slowly but surely exerting his power, influence and you can bet he has a pretty good memory. Harry will always be taken of in some manner but the damage is done.

As for Markle, and them as a couple, who knows. I tend to think that she will never, ever, ever leave because he is the best she will ever do. They are co-dependent in this journey they're on and they will sink together on this ship of fools. Neither of them strike me as people who follow their hearts and "fall in love" like you'd expect most normal people do. These two are schemers par excellence "hit the ground running" schemers. No one is going anywhere in this bubble. Take a look at Dimwit's during Prince Philip's funeral cortege - same face as Andrew: Distant, Angry, Aggrieved, Arrogant and Self-Serving. Completely Self-Serving.

I think their reputation is so damaged right now that all this PR "Invictus" bluster just reinforces the hypocrisy. Harry's interview - when questioned about his opinion or sentiments about his family back in London was met with complete disinterest and disrespect. Don't think this posturing on the world stage is lost on Wills, future King.

Just conjecturing -- but I wouldn't be surprised if she blamed him for all this mess. And if only she could get a new man, a new locale, a new plan... she could get herself out of all this humiliation.

Or maybe she's so deluded, she thinks everything is fine and people think she's wonderful. That was a very abrupt departure from the Invictus Games -- someone suggested she saw those unflattering photos of herself and couldn't take it. (and she did look horrible, in that white coat showing off her boxy figure and the stupid jeans with the cropped black jacket, and her bloated face. Surely she has enough objectivity to see how terrible she looked.

But then, there's Madonna, so maybe not. I still predict a divorce - one or both of them wanting to run away from it all.

I strongly doubt Harry would ever be allowed close to anyone in the RF again. He is that triple threat..Low IQ, MI, & addiction. I think the stories of Charles feeling guilt are just that. Stories. Harry is too much like Dreaded pain in the arse Diana. She was & is still a thorn in his hypersensitive side. Camilla will put her oar in as well, no way does she want the headache that is Harry back. So, if things collapse totally, I don't think a bone will be thrown.

I think Will is more than happy to see the back of Harry as well. Kate is happy to love him from afar, as in as far away as possible. HM just kills em' with kindness.

Meghan is a no brainer. She knows well enough that bridge is well & truly burned. She definitely would not be able to take the heat of the public booing & throwing things at her. And that would happen for sure.

The one person in his life Charles unreservedly adores is Camilla. If Harry goes after her in his autobio as is rumored, Charles will never forgive him.

William has watched Meghan tell lies about his marriage and his wife's character as well as bully his daughter, all with Harry's approval. Even a weaker man would find a spine after those insults, and William already has Philip's steeliness.

Even if he divorced Meghan, there's little chance Harry could come back to the BRF in any meaningful way. The most they might do is give him one of the lesser houses and an income so he wouldn't embarrass them, and that would come with many strings attached.

I think Harry will be the one to leave if either does, because it's my theory that Harry married her because she promised to get him out of the BRF, and support him through the celebrity means that were out of her reach when she was stuck on the D-list. And I'm sure she thought she could, celebrity merching and name-selling must have looked so easy from where she was!

But if she can't provide him with a luxurious lifestyle as well, as well as constant ego-boosting, counseling, and soothing, he might possibly nope his way out of there. Well, until he hears what her shark divorce lawyer has on him...

I think the hidden hand of Rasputin AKA Markus Anderson is skipped over lots. I think he provides lots of drugs & party hardy elements for the duo. He is frequently,'visiting them, most recently at the Polo Match. He is Meghan, 'Best friend'. Soho House is pretty notorious for, if you have the money & or influence we can get you your heart(or loins) desire. Would love to be a fly on the wall when he is with them in private.

If Harry thinks his family will support him emotionally and financially through a divorce, he's dreaming. They all tried to warn him and he still married her, and then he did everything he could to shit on them during the marriage. They should let her suck him dry and leave him with nothing, and then they can offer him that Welsh farmhouse and a decent income if he signs a lot of papers promising to shut the fuck up and stay out of the spotlight.

Tina's Brown's prediction is that Harry will go back into the BRF fold, but without Meghan. That's his only way back in. Everyone talks about Will's wrath and fury, but he loves Harry dearly. They are the only 2 in the world to know what it's like to be them - royal plus having Diana as a mother. I think William would love nothing more to have had Harry (married to Chelsy, Cressida) and their family by his side. As long as that bloody woman is by his side, he access will be limited.

Maybe so, r136 but Wills is not the bleeding heart Charles type of character. Plus Wills has his own temperament. I suspect he's throroughly disgusted and done with Hazbeen. I also suspect whatever feelings he might have for Harry are buried and shunted aside for the sake of the kids. I don't think he wants the Harckles or their kids anywhere near the Cambridge tots.

I wouldn't be looking for Archie and Lillibet in a royal box anytime soon.

Archie and Lillibet, titles or no titles, will never be active royals. Even if Harry goes back to the Royal fold, Meghan will keep the kids and become the world's biggest stage mom.

Harry might make a successful second marriage if he marries a sensible woman, but what sensible woman would want him?

What non-desperate woman would want to be Harry's Linda Kolkena?

A sensible woman uninterested in royal perks would not be attracted by Harry's petulant, unintelligent personality. A canny golddigger would see that Meghan has mined all the gold there was--trust fund, good name, royal dukedom for the oldest son. I'm guessing a divorced, fortyish Harry won't be considered a catch by anyone with two eyes and a brain.

I'm sure any royal bride, even a blood princess, has to make an appointment to try on tiaras from the royal vault. These are priceless historical jewels, not Mardi Gras tat. If Meghan just barged in demanding the tiara, I'm not surprised Kelly told her to stuff it.

Whatever William might have once felt about his brother, it would have been apparent early on what MM's game plan was.

Started with that "Kate did not offer me a ride to go shopping" blind item when M was living with Harry at KP which was an attack on Kate.

Add to that, the stories about the uproar about Charlotte's dress, etc ., with a heavily pregnant Kate in the leadup to the Harkle wedding. (Which was supposedly passed on to William by Charlotte herself.)

Then there was MM cutting pregnant Kate off when the 4 of them were onstage talking about the quartet's work together.

Add to that the Oprah interview while Prince Philip is dying, racist claims, the claim that Kate made MM cry, etc.

I've read that when William wanted to marry Kate, William promised Kate's father that he would always protect her.

Harry and particularly his wife have shown too many times that they have Kate in their sights.

No way back for Harry after all that.

There was also the footage of William and Kate hovering protectively over their children at the Sussex wedding, something they did at none of the other weddings (there were several) the children were in that year. This makes you wonder if the stories of Charlotte being bullied were all too true.

Brothers or not, how much is William supposed to take? How could he ever trust Harry again, when Harry makes it clear that he is jealous of William's status and marriage and resents his children?

If it is true that William stayed out of Harry's visit to TQ, I'm waiting to see how Harry weaponizes it against William in his upcoming "Widdle 'arry's Feewinks Wuz Hut" extravaganza due later this year.

Not only did the Sussexes antagonize their families, they antagonized the British public (including military). Once the Queen is gone, they won’t be able to hide behind her. The gloves come off. If Charles lapses into guilt, Camilla (his steadying force and nursemaid) may remind him. William certainly will.

I do think they have tired of banging the “Equity” drum, as evidenced by the polo photos. I can’t think of a more wealthy, elite sport than polo. Does his polo trophy sit on the mantel beside their NAACP Image Award, I wonder?

but but.. he plays polo so he is now "The People's Prince" r146. Everybody knows that the average working man is a big polo fan. We all have access honestly.

I'm posting this reply due to their rather charred patina of 'we're so in love', hand holding PDAs &c. Do they both have side pieces? I can't imagine the bloom is still on the hot house lily, if there ever was one at all.

Who would shag either of them though? They both look like strangers to soap and water.

Did someone say "sensible woman", r139??

Even in his polo outfit, he looked shrubby, unkempt, wrinkled and was the least attractive of the group photographed.

Well, the polo team no longer has to worry about Harry spoiling their group photo, at least for awhile, because the Sussexes are on the move back to join in the upcoming festivities in Britain!

I think I hear a collective groan of despair coming from the palace....

Confirmed: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle Will Not Appear on Palace Balcony During the Queen's Jubilee

Looks like Harry is showing some VPL in the People photo.

I mean to marry and breed with that basic mixed gold digger you must have some severe mental handicapp.

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R156 That person looks a lot of Caitlyn Jenner. Maybe not quite as pretty. Ugh.

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