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[Quote] We made the right decision in 2014 to leave LA and come to Australia – it's been great for the kids to be in nature, enjoy animals and go horse riding,' she said.

I don't know how Los Angeles is allowed to get away with having no nature, no animals - not even horses!

Fuck these hypocritical cunts.

Especially the Murdochs, who bent over backwards to destroy this place.

But with luck we'll never hear their braying white trash accents ever again.

Silver lining.

I almost choked on the smugness permeating from this article.

Never understood her appeal.....God, how she dragged down "Brothers and Sisters"......Video Clip of a feminine GAY ACTOR (trying to be straight)--and pretending Rachel Griffiths is hot...Girl, no thank you...

A nation lying to itself about what it is? I looked that phrase up and the dictionary showed a map of Australia.

Bitch please. If anything, she was scared to see a country actually trying to address racism, so she ran home to a country that has no time for non-whites.

Does that stand for Bigoted Observances?

I’ve noticed Australians and other Anglo nations, always have to reassure themselves that their countries are so much better than the US.

It reeks of insecurity

Even Rita Whora.....but she's not even American?

If she had a career to speak i doubt she would have left.

America is definitely good enough to make a fortune here though.

Oh yes, everyone loves American $$$$$ but love to run when the going gets tough.

They'll be back, they always do. Australia doesn't pay the big bucks like America does. There's a reason the Brits Aussies and Canadians come here.

But they're not wrong though, America is definitely going through something right now. There are a lot of problems here at the moment. Hopefully we can get through it.

r12 You mean republicans?

And this is exactly why I can’t stand Aussies/Brits/Irish actors. They know damn well that America has the best acting opportunities, then they want to shit all over our country after they get what they want.

I keep telling ya’ll these motherfuckers needs to be banned from the US. They are so arrogant and disrespectful.

R13 No I'm talking about these foreign asshole actors trying to steal all of our money from Hollywood.

Joe Biden is now President of the USA.

Scott Morrison is still PM of Australia.

Good luck, Rachel, you dumb cunt.

I hope their mansions are mouse-proof.

R14 reaching for her gun.

They love coming to America to suck up our resources and then bounce.

Why don't they just stay in their own countries and build up their own entertainment industry infrastructure? Instead of coming here stealing roles from real Americans.

Fuck these Cunts!

I've convinced at least four L.A. casting assistants to "never cast Commonwealth." That is, unless they already have an Oscar. It took some convincing, but as far as I know, they've followed it and their bosses haven't noticed.

Well Anthony Hopkins loves USA, or at least LA so there.

You just know she'd be on the first flight to Atlanta if she got the 5th lead in a Tyler Perry movie.

R21 If that's true, Good!

Hollywood should be almost exclusively for Americans.

Fuck the commonwealth.

We will develop an twelve billion dollar emergency program that will encourage the luvys to deign to stay in the US.

[quote]I've convinced at least four L.A. casting assistants to "never cast Commonwealth." That is, unless they already have an Oscar. It took some convincing, but as far as I know, they've followed it and their bosses haven't noticed.

Thank you! Please ask any other casting assistants you know of to do the same. I’ve had it with these uppity fuckers. We should only be casting Americans for American projects since they’re so ungrateful.

[quote]Over the past year, as I checked in with Australian friends in the US, I kept hearing the same thing: 'I just want to come home… I've never felt more Australian.

Then tell your friends to go the fuck back “home” and don’t ever come back here.

Look at a list of AACTA winners sometime (Australia’s version of the Oscars). The winners tend to be low budget shit nobody has seen. A no-name actor on a shitty CW show makes more than the average Australian actor, and just because productions temporarily moved there doesn’t mean it will last indefinitely.

Meanwhile, one of Rupert Murdochs sons just bought a huge LA mansion north of $100 million bucks.

These assholes are from Australia and have ruined America with their fox noise propaganda bullshit crime syndicate. We should have much stricter and tighter laws about what foreigners can do when they come to United states.

Mark Burnett gave us Trump in the form of reality TV. And Rupert Murdoch gave us fox news and look at what that's done to the country. These people need to be stopped and stopped yesterday.

Dangerous assholes.

Rachel Griffiths is so horrid - the typical Australian performer. PLEASE take your bizarre phoniness and head back home.

Then tell us how wonderful things are in Australia for Indigenous Australian people, assholes.

I don't mind commonwealth actors.

I don't mind Australian actors. In fact, I absolutely love some of them - Toni Colette, Naomi Watts, Nicole Kidman, all great.

I don't mind Australian actors who criticize the US. There's a lot of criticism that's justified.

I do mind Australian (and other commonwealth) actors acting like their home countries' shit doesn't stink.

And after the Murdochs and the last 20 fucking years of Australian Prime Ministers sucking right-wing dick? I really fucking mind it from them.

R31 Very good points! It’s just disgusting.

[quote] Hollywood should be almost exclusively for Americans.

I’m willing to make an exception for Kate Winslet, any Sir or Dame, and any man who registers on the Michael Fassbender Fuckability Scale.

Why not ? The pandemic has been kinder to Australia

The thesis of her article is off. Griffiths herself returned way back in 2012 after her TV show got canceled. Hemsworth returned in 2014. Kidman and Urban have always gone back and forth between Australia and Nashville. And didn't Kidman say in 2017 that Americans needed to deal with Trump's victory and just accept it?

And Cate Blanchett just left Australia and moved to England.

Why not just say some Australians returned home because most people want to go home and because of how successful its (right-wing) government handled COVID?

Which Irish actors have complained about America?

Here's what I say to Australians and their "exodus" from the United States: don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, you knobs.

Here's what I say to Australians and their "exodus" from the United States: don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, you racist wombat-fucking lumps of swill.

FTFY, R39

Maybe if the talent pool of Americans was good then they wouldn’t need international talent? But guess what……it’s not :)

Isn't Kidman American by birth? She was born in Hawaii right?

She still shouldn't have said what she said about Americans needing to deal with Trump. If is wasn't for the stupid electoral system we have, Trump would've never been president in the first fucking place.

The only good movie she ever did that I like was "To die for." Oh yeah, and cold mountain is another one if my favourites.

Australia's history is just as dark and ugly as Americas.

But American history definitely takes the cake out of both countries. America still can't get its shit together when it comes to how it treats African Americans. That really is a serious issue that needs serious atonement and reflection etc. Slavery ans jim crow has never been probably addressed in this country and it's time for that to happen.

R45, Australians still treat their native population as subhuman. The way many of them talk about aborigines behind closed doors is no different than how many white people here talk about black people--actually, its worse. And collectively, they seem more in denial about it.

Rach went home cuz the roles dried up.

R42 If Hollywood stopped hiring people through nepotism, we might be able to get real talented people in film in television.

A lot of these people got in through family friends and who they're fucking, not talent. There needs to be more of a focus on serious talent in this country and not nepotism hires. That's why the industry is partially shit now. No talent children of the privileged being handed everything.

Funny how all the people she mentioned are hitting midlife. Used America. Got what they wanted and will now leave. How is the aboriginal population doing these days, Rach?

That she thinks Australia is not lying to itself is laughable. It's the same shit in Australia of whitewashing its past and promoting a white Anglo agenda. They took down the "White Australia" banner but the ideology is still thriving underneath the surface.

R46 Don't worry, black people are talking shit about white people behind closed doors too. And justifiably so.

You should hear the stories old black women tell about the rich white people whose homes they use to clean during the 40s 50s 60s and 70s. Let's just say, the most beautiful socialite in town was very nasty and filthy behind closed doors and never flushed the toilet and wiped her ass good.

Everything is being told. And they have photos of everyone they worked for. But that's a different thread.

The good parts aren't there, or aren't being offered. Ego too big to play mediocre for pay. Have a nest egg from the good acting years. Pack up, go home. Why Griffiths chose to make her return to Oz political is yet another audition of sorts in that "Hmmmm, Griffiths does play it well. I'll keep her in mind" kinda way.

Australians know can be as racist and bigoted as they want. That Australia is politically irrelevant and far away from everyone's critical eye.

^^^^^ Didn't wipe her ass good.

R51, I'm not surprised. And like you said, it's totally justifiable too. But I have to say, I was pretty shocked when my upper-middle class Australian told me, without hesitation "I would find it really difficult to sit down and have a drink with an aboriginal person. I would just feel really uncomfortable." And apparently ,that sentiment is shared by most non aboriginal people in Australia.

[quote] And apparently ,that sentiment is shared by most non aboriginal people in Australia.

No, it isn't. But don't let assumption stop you for posting your ignorance and bias. "Most Australians" don't think about Aboriginals, don't know any and, except for Sydney, never see any except for on TV.

Australia is a hot hellhole.

(say this like Meryl said "now a warning" in Death Becomes Her)

NOW you leave?

Trump is gone. Biden is in. The senate and house are democratic.

Virtue signaling.

Outsiders who have spent considerable time in the USA are giving you opinions. This is a broken system of cruelty.

We have an entire senate that refuses to do it’s job and hold those accountable for their part in a FAILED insurrection.

We have 25 states currently trying to make voting more difficult.

We are still arguing about Abortion - something that was settled in the 70s.

We’re gay; the way this country is operating? We’re next.

R58 America only deals with shit it does, is because Republicans refuse to just move forward and stop with the stupid culture wars.

Culture wars is all the Republican party has left. They don't want to actually legislate and help implement things that will actually make the country better. All they care about is tax cuts and making sure their donors and corporations are happy, damn the everyday people that put them in office.

They're a party whose goal is to keep Americans at each other's throats perpetuating culture wars and keeping chaos alive in the country and making life harder for the downtrodden. They're not even a political party anymore at this point. They're there to hold the white conservative status quo and nothing more.

I'll never vote for a Republican as long as I live, and I'm still really young.

[quote]They're a party whose goal is to keep Americans at each other's throats

Americans are at each other's throats not due to the GOP but to America's angry, violent culture.

Actually it’s rather chilly here today, R56.

I'm surprised and a bit pleased to see this.

Fame aside, I am surprised more people are not talking this way. Things are dark and getting worse in America.

[quote] The senate and house are democratic.

That was useless on the 1/6 commission vote

Wow I am so shocked that this turned to the weekly Datalounge Australia-bashing thread!

We need to send all of them back. DEPORT ALL AUSTRALIANS FROM CALIFORNIA. The money Dump used for the wall on the Mexico border should be funneled into building a huge net in the middle of the pacific that prevents planes from Australia from ever coming here.

R58 I am Canadian but lived in American for 15 years. Americans do live in a myth to the point verging on cultism about how great America is. It's understandable though, America is (well was until Trump) the most powerful and influential nation on Earth. That has created an environment of insulation in which many Americans know nothing of the world outside, I mean 64% of Americans have never traveled outside of America (according to Forbes in 2019). Despite being the wealthiest country in the English speaking world, the gap between rich and poor is staggering. They have very little social infrastructure (eg. no public health care system) despite paying more income tax than countries like Canada (Canadian earning between 40 and 80 K pay 20.5% income tax compared to 22% in the US) or the UK that do (most of the spending goes towards the Military). There is gun violence, extreme social conservatism, christian evangelism, increasing racial/culture tensions, eroding democracy sliding towards fascism. My husband and I left after Trump won seeing he writing on the wall. The America Dream is dead but most won't realize it until it's too late.

I’ve saved this as a handy template for getting it all out there in the weekly Datalounge anti-Australia troll posts. Hope that this helps, American Dataloungers!

All Australians are racists. Every single one of us. All the men are misogynists. All the women are loud and called Sheila. We are all completely homophobic. And gay. A bunch of chronic alcoholics. Setting foot out of our front doors is an exercise in risking death from our killer wildlife. We have no history. None! No accomplishments of note. No cities - we all live in the outback, killing kangaroos for dinner. Avoiding drop bears. Then throwing another shrimp on the barbie. Because the dingo ate our baby! We’re just a tiny little island, regularly on fire, upside down, down under, somewhere down in the Pacific. Or the Atlantic. Maybe the Indian Ocean? Some big ocean, anyway. Somewhere. But definitely full of man-eating sharks!

Does that make you feel better?

R67 don't forget, you've all secretly blown Crocodile Dundee

R66 Applause!!! I am an American and I see what's happening here. If I could leave I would!

Rupert Murdoch is a citizen of the USA, R33. We were glad to be rid of him. Your country welcomed him, so suck it up.

R67 Except for the "all women are called Sheila", that's completely accurate. But you're a White fellah so don't notice it.

Everybody comes to Hollywood.

Nice try, R71, but if you’re going to pretend to be one of the First Nations people of Australia you need to get the spelling right - it’s “whitefella”.

First Nations people of Australia? That's Koorie to you, mate!

Maybe it was the Australian coffee that brought them back. Aussies are always screeching about how Australian coffee is the best and nothing compares to it.

She's staying in Australia? Pity.

R66 I doubt you will find any people on DL talking about how "great" America is. We are well aware of the problems to the point of exhaustion. We just don't need foreigners rubbing it in our faces. We know. We voted for Biden in the hope of change. If you hate it here, fine. Just have the good manners to leave quietly.

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America is a shithole, because of right wing extremism and Republicans dead set on turning back the hands of time. The country is starting to become a little to diverse for them and they are afraid of a truly multicultural country.

That's all this us about, fear! Fear of the future where whites won't gave all of the power. But having to share that power with other ethnic groups and that scares the shit out of them.

But we'll have to pull them into the 21st century kicking and screaming, because it's going to happen. It's what the majority of the voting public keeps voting for.

Crickey! Hoges looks like shit!

R78 So sorry, precious, to have disturbed that sense of security (and you Lucy reruns).

There you have it - straight from the horse's mouth.

Wrong again, R74, but do keep digging - it’s “Koori”, not “Koorie”.

Mate, it's transliterated. Spelling is arbitrary.

Right, R85, and if you really are who you claim to be, you would know that:

While not mutually exclusive, it’s highly unlikely that all 25 million Australians are homophobic AND gay.

The “killer wildlife” comment was a joke.

There are over 60,000 years of indigenous history.

Most of us don’t kill kangaroos for dinner. Although speaking personally, I am rather partial to a ‘roo burger (low fat content, as you would know).

Drop bears are a myth.

Australia is nowhere near the Atlantic Ocean.

It’s not a tiny little island.

Etc...

No, you’re frantically Googling and mostly getting it wrong. Keep it up, “mate”.

I think it's funny that some on here think we care enough about Australia to have weekly Australia hate threads. BTW, is Australia letting its own citizens back in from India yet or are they just leaving them there to die?

R86 I'm from Melbourne. Save the PR horseshit for the Yanks.

R87 The priority is keeping celebrities happy. The 10,000 dying Australians in India are being told to wait and fend for themselves, while Clooney and Julia Roberts are whisked past customs and allowed to isolate in VIP luxury in Byron Bay. And don't ask me how the Byron Bay locals feel about their place being turned into Malibu II...

R89, I hope you realize that means at least three security/staff SUVs idling at all times. I’m so sorry.

America bad, everywhere else perfect!!!

I’ve lived in 3 different countries (one in Europe, two in Asia), and have traveled to 51 countries.

My dad was always careful to point out America’s flaws when I was growing up, so I never felt it was the absolute best and without any flaws whatsoever. I considered myself a citizen of the world and honestly thought I’d permanently immigrate someplace else one day.

However, just like Americans tend to be indoctrinated to believe in that “shining city on a hill” bullshit, non-Americans are indoctrinated to believe they’re morally superior. While most Americans don’t give two shits about news coming out of other countries, non-Americans actively seek out opportunities to read off their itemized list of how horrible the US is.

And while it would be easier to ignore threads like these, I’m not equipped to ignore blatant xenophobia just because a bunch of insecure people want to feel better about themselves. I witnessed more racism and poverty in South Korea than I ever have in the US. And the ONLY thing European countries have to be proud about is universal medical coverage (which is not free), less gun violence, and no death penalty. The unabashed racism still exists to this day, and an influx of migrants have only hardened opinions. Class inequality, social unrest, toxic political discourse, stagnant wages, and polarization are just as common in other countries as the US. Hell, to this day Europe is the only place I’ve witnessed homophobic attacks with my own two eyes (Germany and England).

If Americans are offended by these posts, I’m here to encourage them to take the comments with a grain of salt. If you agree, go live someplace else and perhaps you’ll feel more at home. One good thing about America (and not the dystopian version portrayed on cable news), is that we continually work on our shit. We aren’t perfect and constantly strive to do better...even though opinions on what “better” means often varies. Unlike other countries, like the one where the bodies of 215 children were found on the site of a school where indigenous citizens underwent forced assimilation until 1978, we aren’t complacent.

[Quote]I would find it really difficult to sit down and have a drink with an aboriginal person. I would just feel really uncomfortable."

Maybe he's referring to the Dreamtime? Its true its nearly impossible to communicate.

I've worked on UN projects to advance UN Human Development standards in aboriginal communities in the Red Centre and trust me, I've got some hilarious stories. Like we built and gave many aborigals houses, and they all threw mattresses in their front yards. Its a cultural thing. They want to be as close to nature as possible. They barely set foot in the houses.

But not to put all aboriginals in the same box. Its those who still live in the Dreamtime that are most economically depressed. Never have I felt the complete inability to communicate with another human as I have with pure blood aboriginals in the Red Centre. One guy, a spokesman for a group, seemed quite sensible. He wanted me to meet his uncle. I was flattered. We walked a sizeable distance and came upon a large oak tree. This, he told me, was his uncle. What does one say?I

Australia's aboriginal situation is complex and caught up in clashes between cultural/traditional rights, personal freedom and economic and human development. IMO it is not about race.

None Americans are cunts.

[quote]I’ve noticed Australians and other Anglo nations, always have to reassure themselves that their countries are so much better than the US.

[quote]It reeks of insecurity

That's rich. Americans are the most thin-skinned of people, witness this thread.

Quick to brag that they are No. 1 at everything and that the rest of the world is queued up to rob -- never enrich -- them, they somehow have zero confidence in their claims.

When someone knows a thing to be true and the person claiming otherwise to be wrong, it's easy to laugh them off or to not become angered, to not get humpty about the sum of 2 + 2 = 4, not 5.

But look at the responses here... They "reek of insecurity. "

No one on this thread has said any of that, though, R94. The "We're #1" crap is from rightwing loons. Ironically, your sensationalistic response really does reek of insecurity.

“I almost choked on the smugness permeating from this article.”

—Anonymo

Now you know how the rest of the world feels listening to America lecture us on systemic racism and woke bullshit. Fucking insane ideologies and hypocritical airheads don’t make a happy mix.

[quote] Australians still treat their native population as subhuman. The way many of them talk about aborigines behind closed doors is no different than how many white people here talk about black people--actually, its worse. And collectively, they seem more in denial about it.

Australia, like New Zealand, is a white supremacist coloniser nation.

From a UK perspective I always find it fascinating how many (Israel obsessed) left wing Britons feel both countries are progressive and tolerant and far superior to Britain and how they'd like to move there.

The ironic thing about all this is, the poisonous political climate in America was caused, more than by any other single person, by an Australian.

R92 did one you ever think to, gasp, actually ask them if they wanted all the crap you were giving them?

Australia doesn't even begin to compare with North America's nature. Australia doesn't even have a fucking mountain. Australians are the most arrogant in-denial douches on earth.

R99. Are you daft? Of course the projects were developed with aboriginal leaders. What "all the crap" are your referring to Troll?

Damn, you guys hate Australia more than Germany!

Those serving the hate sound quite ignorant.

She’s just as pretentious as her character on Six Feet Under.

“Australia doesn't even have a fucking mountain. Australians are the most arrogant in-denial douches on earth.“

WTF are you talking about ? You know Australia has Mountain ranges throughout the country? Australian Alps?

the most arrogant in-denial douches on earth.“

This only could be said by someone in a country who could say ,while Trump was President that they were the most oppressed people in the world, while over 3 quarters of the world lives in poverty and countries that would make yours look like Democracy personified. There were 1 million people in China in concentration camps and in Hong Kong people were being hauled into jails, their rights literally destroyed in front of them while Americans yelled about how oppressed they were. That takes a level of arrogance that goes beyond anything I have experienced in my lifetime.

[quote] I was hungry to come home and tell our own Australian stories with humanity and vigour.

Bitch, please. She's had a rep of being impossible to work with ever since Six Feet Under. Difficult AND 40+? Hello Sydney!

Australia , UK and Europe are just as racist if not more so than the US. There are refugees imprisoned on islands living hellscape lives for the sin of trying to enter AUS. The difference is there’s very little attention outrage or care given to the blatant racism. Just like there’s police brutality in the UK, and blackface in the Netherlands. They just have zero interest in reforming or remorse for their history. They’ve found a way to make their minorities almost invisible.

[quote]But they're not wrong though, America is definitely going through something right now. There are a lot of problems here at the moment. Hopefully we can get through it.

It the battle of the extremists. On both sides. America is disgusting

I didn't find anything wrong with the article. It's the truth. California is disgusting. The homeless situation is out of control. And it can't be fixed

On a national level, nothing will change either. Why live here if you don't have to? America is an international joke. It horrifies decent people

So much American stupidity on this thread.

“Australia , UK and Europe are just as racist if not more so than the US. R 107”

And?

Guess what go to Pakistan or Japan or China then come back and tell us about racism. The thing about America is it has never stopped it’s Puritanism. It thrives on burning and purifying everything. To many in the West we look at this and see this as mystifyingly. This can only ever be self destructive. As you tear everything apart to get to year 0 you lose everything that made you great.

You fought a Civil War to end Slavery. How many countries have done that? Britain literally stopped slavery at a time when economically it must have seemed insane to many. It stopped paying its interest on buying those slaves freedom from 1833 in 2014. Don’t you think that is proof that we have done more in the world to end this blight than at any time in history?

But it is not enough is it? That is why many look at America and go WTF. It will never end. Everything will be torn apart. Unfortunately at the moment America looks like the Titanic with the Woke arranging the deck chairs and everyone else getting as far away from the ship as fucking fast as they can.

The “political climate in the USA” aka Australia doesnt have tons of homeless people and BLM and MAGA rioters

So many Australian actors have become A listers that the country would be wise to invest in a major entertainment infrastructure, lure them back home with big paychecks and cash in on their international stardom by distributing internationally. Between Kidman and Blanchett, Jackman, the meathead brothers and all the character actors like Toni Collette and Guy Pearce, they could generate a ton of big-name movies and TV shows in short order and rival Hollywood.

This is the sort of Trump-induced fallout that will drag our country down for decades (at least). He really was the Great and Powerful Oz who revealed that a lot of the US's global reputation as a beacon of freedom has been smoke and mirrors for generations now.

So R110 your problem is basically that minorities people speak up and protest right? Better that the white upper class continues to rule. Pays reparations to the white descendants of slave owners and parades around the wealth and jewels it pilfered from Africa , Asia and the Americas in peace without being bothered to stop killing people for existing with a different skin tone. You’re superior because you’ve figured out a way to silence that minority. That’s literally what the Nazis were fighting to accomplish.

I'm not throwing stones as an American because I accept how evil our country has been, but I was surprised to see on Drag Race Down Under this week that one of the young Australian contestants confessed to having done blackface and got a lecture from another about the systemic oppression and discrimination against people of color in Australia. So it would seem that Oz does have its own issues with that, and I know two American women who moved to Australia and then came back after being shocked by a culture of overt sexual harassment and misogyny at their workplaces, one at a university and one at a law firm. Both told me that men regularly made graphic sexual comments and that they were told by men and women it's just part of the culture and to lighten up. It's funny; I always assumed the UK, Canada and the US to be culturally very similar because of the common language and there do seem to be a lot of colonial-remnant similarities but also a lot of major differences that can cause real culture shock.

Trump is not responsible for the degeneration of America, which started long before he obtained office. America is has become overcrowded and unwieldly to administer successfully, Americans too angry, violent and self-absorbed. You can't stop an empire in decline. All you can do is get out of the way and watch it happen.

[quote] That’s literally what the Nazis were fighting to accomplish.

The Nazis weren't fighting to "silence the minority". They were butchers and world-class thieves, exterminating Jews, looting Jewish property and the wealth of Europe.

The great liberals and internationalists of Datalounge.

It never takes much to unleash your fierce, crude Yankee Doodle.

It's a natural reaction to want to defend your country, but look at the - violence - of some of the response. Ban international actors, fuck them, wall off, Americans in Hollywood only....

Face it, a part of you adored Trump and his rhetoric. It's in your DNA. Your obnoxiousness and nationalism rises like your blood pressure. You cannot brook any criticism of the fantasy.

R116 And India. Their "Aryan race" notion was based on their idea that India was once home to a great race of "supermen" who had advanced technologies and a utopian society—basically the Atlantis myth conflated with superhero stories from Indian religious texts—and they were invading territories trying to discover great techologies they believed had been lost. Along the way, they exterminated people they believed to be flawed along with artwork and cultural artifacts that deviated from classical ideals; they believed anything non-classical to be leading to corruptive social progress.

Damn those foreign actors, coming here and forcing the gentle, gullible leaders of Hollywood to cast them!

Europe has been looting for a millennia. Asia may be racist but they weren’t colonialists. They have no responsibility outside of their spheres of influence . American’s problem is an outgrowth of European Slavery and colonialism .

Isn't this essentially the same idea as "white flight"? America has become too ghetto and complicated, let me go back to the gated community of Australia.

R120 China is buying up, moving into and changing countries all over the world and especially in Africa. They now have the resources to colonize and exploit and so they are colonizing and exploiting.

You guys are such a disappointment. This thread could be comments on Fox News.

Australians are descended from monsters who didn't bother enslaving the indigenous people of Tasmania. They just slaughtered them until not one was left.

Thank you for your whatabout, D.W. Griffiths.

Hey Canadian at r66, are you vaccinated yet? I read this morning that only 5% of Canadians are fully vaccinated. Why such low numbers? Too bad you left the US, where they’re giving out vaccines like candy. We’re at 40%.

Asia aren’t colonizers? I guess you missed the whole WW2 thing where Japan tried to take over countries into the Pacific and beyond. Some of the comments here on racism are actually laughable,

[quote]Asia may be racist but they weren’t colonialists

R120 was obviously in the loo wanking during History class, missed the Muslim (Arabia IS part of Asia) invasion of Africa, Europe and much of Asia and Gengiz Khan's westward invasion of Asia, Eastern and Central Europe (he ran out of steam in Eastern Austria). And China's conquest, occupation and subjugation of Tibet.

R122 Not really. China is not as dumb and impulsive as the West, and the Africans aren't helpless or stupid. There is as much untapped economic potential in Africa as China had back 40 years ago (if not more), and the Chinese want to unleash it because it will help support their own economic growth into the rest of the century. That's long term planning the West can't even fathom with their infantile game of regime change and warmongering around the world.

R130 Tibet joined Qing dynasty China hundreds of years ago and never achieved independence since. So no there's no "invasion" or "conquest", just a CIA backed rebellion that failed.

FUCK Australia! They are even more racist than USA!

yes, please fuck off to AU. You have skin cancer in your future! if you're not eaten by a shark first!

Oh, in Canada, you have to wait months in between covid shots.

What the fuck is Australia's contribution to the world? Absolutely NOTHING

Um, R136, how soon you forget Men at Work, Liam Hemsworth and the setting of a classic episode of The Simpsons...

those actors just hate black people

Europe has been looting for a millennia. Asia may be racist but they weren’t colonialists. They have no responsibility outside of their spheres of influence . American’s problem is an outgrowth of European Slavery and colonialism .

—Anonymous r120

Where the fuck do you think Genghis Khan came from ? Fucking Paris ? Seriously did you ever hear about the Arab conquest of Europe or how they were the World’s Slavers at one time? You fucking need to read more than the Communist Woke Manifesto you just display your ignorance.

R132 Uh, not even close. Far more complicated.

Shitty Australia just pretends they aren't racist. A bunch of white trash reject Brits. Fuck you cunts, at least there is a dialogue in America, you ignorant bastards try to pretend it doesn't happen.

America is a joke

They spend their time being the world's police. Half of their citizens don't have insurance, another large portion that have insurance, can't afford to use it. You work 50 to 70 hours a week, with little protections and barely any vacation. Half the country works like dogs and if they live long enough to retire, they'll live it in chronic, agonizing pain

Europe gets to depend on America's military and they get to have nice things like health care, free college, better working conditions and hours, longer vacations, mass transit, a more enjoyable and even longer lives. And they have healthy food

R141, yes there are racists in Australia and every country in the world.

But America has 2 political parties and one of them is run by a racist.

Other countries try to improve themselves. America just wants to move backwards

it doesn't "WANT" to, it's gerrymandered into a fuckfest. learn some civics

[quote]What the fuck is Australia's contribution to the world? Absolutely NOTHING

Well give back your WiFi then, American dickhead at R136. Because that's a product of the CSIRO.

As for all the accusations in the first half of this thread about Australian actors coming over and taking all your money - they get paid what your stars get paid, and it's because if they're A-listers the movies they're in make millions, if not billions, all of which stays in the US except their paycheck. Wasn't that an Australian actor in the lead in Avatar, biggest box office earner for many years? Aren't Chris Hemsworth's movies doing quite well, and didn't Hugh Jackman's do likewise? The only US movies that do anything at all for Australia's bottom line are the ones that are made here, and even then it's often the cheaper option from a producer's standpoint. Hollywood was very quick to come here and use our people and locations during Covid.

[quote]it doesn't "WANT" to, it's gerrymandered into a fuckfest. learn some civics

Excuse we ignorant foreigners, but all but 7 million of your voters voted for Trump in the last election. That's on the votes of individuals, not on the Electoral College. That would be a scary proportion in 2016, but after four years of him it's a terrifying number.

[quote]it doesn't "WANT" to,

Yes, half the country wants to move backwards

They want little to no regulations/oversite, small government, no first amendment for people who disagree with them, freedom to be racists. What they really want is to go back to when slavery was legal.

Ellen and Portia were hinting at moving to Australia, but they just bought a new house in Montecito last week so I guess it's not happening, or they plan to buy a second home in Australia. I'm sure Ellen wants to get away from the nasty people in Hollywood who sabotaged her.

[quote]Hey Canadian at [R66], are you vaccinated yet? I read this morning that only 5% of Canadians are fully vaccinated. Why such low numbers? Too bad you left the US, where they’re giving out vaccines like candy. We’re at 40%.

Witness R128 at the exact moment when he pulls out his "We're Number 1" foam hand and descends into unreason.

"Yeah but, Americans have bigger dicks."

"Yeah but, we saved your ass in WWII."

"Yeah but, the GDP thing."

"Yeah but, my daddy is richer than your daddy."

There's a point where a stranger you might have taken for a reasonable American becomes hyper-defensive and -- "It's on, fuckers!" -- everything becomes a dick measuring contest, every observation becomes a national slight.

um, r147, she sabotaged herself.

[quote]And the ONLY thing European countries have to be proud about is universal medical coverage (which is not free), less gun violence, and no death penalty.

Well, that's just nothing, isn't it? I can't see living like that.

[quote] One good thing about America (and not the dystopian version portrayed on cable news), is that we continually work on our shit. We aren’t perfect and constantly strive to do better...even though opinions on what “better” means often varies. Unlike other countries, like the one where the bodies of 215 children were found on the site of a school where indigenous citizens underwent forced assimilation until 1978, we aren’t complacent.

When were you thinking better was going to manifest, just out of curiosity? 38 million Americans living in poverty would probably be interested to know too. Given all this working on your shit.

R128 In fairness while Canada only has 5.4% of the population FULLY vaccinated, 60% of the population has had one dose and that's expected to rise to 80% within 2 weeks. Canada is now vaccinating faster than the US in terms of the ratio of doses administered to total population. Canada is also anticipated to reach herd immunity by the end of the summer whereas the US is unlikely actually reach the 75% threshold required for any level of herd immunity due to anti-vax sentiment in the country. Also it is reassuring that if people get sick here, they don't have to pay for their treatment.

My husband is Swedish. After we got married six years ago, we moved to Stockholm and holy shit, my views on the States have changed a lot. I think Rachel Griffiths is a bitch, but she isn't wrong in all her statements.

I couldn't believe when I got my first job here, six weeks vacation, 6 hour work days (reduced to 5 hours during the summer), paid sick leave, free education (you get an allowance from the Government when you go to University), living wages (my first job here was in a hotel as a desk clerk and I was making $45K USD a year to start), free healthcare, no guns, most people here are not religious. The Swedes are very reserved and the culture here is odd and I miss some of the food back home. But I've realized the American way of live is far more exploitative than we often wish to admit.

[Quote]Europe gets to depend on America's military and they get to have nice things like health care, free college, better working conditions and hours, longer vacations, mass transit, a more enjoyable and even longer lives. And they have healthy food

Americans, memorize this. Dual nationals (European-USA) and Americans living in Europe like R152 know this to be true.

[quote] Yes, half the country wants to move backwards

NO, half the gerrymandered districts in the US do. An enormous difference. Two thirds of the US is held hostage by a few gerrymandered districts in red states

Fuck Australia...come crying to us when China bullies you. You kowtow to them! You do nothing to help your neighboring countries. Poor leadership!

American Exceptionalism. Most of the Americans posting in this thread woukdn’t know what this means except “USA IS NUMBER ONE” etc, so here are some useful examples for you troglodytes:

Exceptionally parochial

Exceptionally narrow minded

Exceptionally xenophobic

Exceptionally poorly travelled

Exceptionally thin-skinned

Exceptionally defensive

Exceptionally poorly educated

That’s a start.

How about the 64% of you who don’t possess passports (because foreigners are scary and you’ve never left your home town) actually get off your fat arses, put down the jumbo sized coke and the burger as big as your head, get a passport, buy an airfare and travel (what a concept) and visit the countries about which you make such blithely ignorant pronouncements built on no basis of fact?

Alternatively, try reading up on these places. That would require putting down People and picking up a “book”. But from the utter fucking ignorance on display (“Australia has no mountains” - oh my sides!), you’re probably the sort of people who read with their forefinger while mouthing the words.

I know - “tl;dr”. This applies to anything longer and more complex than the drive through menu at McDonalds. Or, as you would spell it, “drivethru”.

R153 After the second world war, most nations drastically reduced their military spending except the US which spent more in a bid to replace the vaccum left by the end of the British Empire. NATO was created in a bid to ensure another global war did not happen, by strengthening coordination between international military forces. NATO spending is based the ratio of GDP to Military spending. American spends more on it's military than any other nation on Earth therefore it pays more into NATO (Trump tried to play it that America was being cheated in a bid to destabilize NATO which would benefit Russia). However, in exchange for that, the US has military bases in virtually every major western nation, but they only play a role in defending those nations if they were ever attacked by a non NATO partner.

Aussies are lazy cunts. they don't work at all, just lay in the sun and drink all fucking day.

The beautiful thing is, if America falls it's dragging the rest of the western world, and fellow 5 Eyes member Australia, with it 🤣

They don't even have famous or highly regarded universities....speaks volumes...they produce shit students.

Wow there are no sweeping generalizations on this thread at all!

[quote] There is as much untapped economic potential in Africa as China had back 40 years ago (if not more), and the Chinese want to unleash it because it will help support their own economic growth into the rest of the century.

OR MAYBE: there are loads of extractive resources in Africa; the Chinese wish to acquire these resources for their country’s own gain; the only economic growth that will take place in Africa is the growth of its corrupt officials’ bank accounts.

[quote]they don't work at all, just lay in the sun and drink all fucking day.

How DARE you say they just lay in the sun all fucking day?

Margot Robbie, currently one of the hottest actresses, is an Aussie & I (believe) resides in LA, so there's that.

I can see why actors would want to keep young families out of LA to keep them out of the Kardashian culture, but as others have noted, this article stinks of smugness & a holier than thou attitude from someone who has little to no career to speak of

Plus, I recall reading on a Six Feet Under thread that Griffiths had terrible BO

Hey there's nothing wrong with bashing America. I do it all the time and always will.

But Rachel is running back to Whitey-land to stick her head in the suburban sand of Wooloomooloowoolooloomoowoowoo or however long that goes, and deserves a kick in the ass for her smug assumptions of superiority.

Australia isn't a place where there's no racism. It's just a place where nobody ever seems to do anything about it. Or rather, the things they did do - hunt the locals to actual literal extinction - as late as the 1940s in Queensland - slap a White Australia policy on the door and truck the darkies out of the plantations when done with them to maroon them on islands or drown them in the ocean - has left them with a nice big lower middle class fantasy of Our Shit Don't Stink. Well, they've had a solidly right-wing government with a few blips for nearly 30 years and their current PM is one of the biggest and most witless assholes of the lot - the idiot who came up with that trashy "Where the Bloody Hell Are Ya?" ad campaign. Where the bloody hell am I? I'm thousands of miles away from you and Rachel, Scotty-boy. and feeling just fine.

[quote]Europe gets to depend on America's military

Because of course America picks the countries where it has bases out of the goodness of its heart. Nothing to do with American interests.

Fool.

[quote] Britain literally stopped slavery at a time when economically it must have seemed insane to many.

Brtiain "ended slavery" and then supported the south in the civl war, mainly because of cotton.

Britain ended slavery in Britain. The British were allowed to keep making money off of slave-staffed plantations elsewhere.

R169, exactly. And British slave owners were compensated for their "distress" while the actual slaves received absolutely nothing.

[quote] Because of course America picks the countries where it has bases out of the goodness of its heart. Nothing to do with American interests.

That's true of every country in the world--that's not unique to America.

You know who else moved his family back to Australia? Lachlan Murdoch, who runs Fox News. That prick & his father are responsible for the state of the US today & he hightailed it out of NY & enrolled his kids in school in Sydney. The Murdochs are for sure working for anti-US interests to destroy trust in the democratic process and cause a civil war.

Fuck you Australia

It's funny that Australia is portrayed as this non-racist country versus America. It has its own problems with racism. Just ask many of the Indian immigrants who live there or the aborigines.

I will be the first to admit that America has a shit ton of issues, many of which seem insurmountable honestly. I am someone who has almost completely lost hope in this country. But this idea that America sees itself as number one and so superior to the rest of the world is actually pretty dated. Most Americans don't even feel that way anymore. Only 29% of Americans believe America is superior to all other countries in the world. That number continues to decline every year. So the American public itself isn't exactly buying the whole "we're number one!" mantra. Even a majority of Republicans don't believe this!

She’s right about America but let’s admit, she’s full of shit about her reasons for living here.

American freedom my ass. She can’t say this, but the entertainment business in Australia is small potatoes. The best Aussie actors come here because the work is incomparably better, more varied, more prominent, and better paying.

They don’t think the trade off is worth it anymore because decades of rightwing brainwashing has had the desired effect of tearing American society apart, and literally tens of millions of Americans are basically zombies wedded to self-damaging rightwing indoctrination. As long as rightwing agitprop spews from Fox and Breitbart and other outlets, it’s going to get worse, not better.

The result is a truly scary place. It’s not worth the fame or the money anymore if your kids might get shot in school or you might find yourself living in a country governed by a crypto-fascist strongman. American freedom doesn’t have fuck-all to do with it.

There are great countries but there is not and cannot be a greatest nation.

I actually really like her as an actress but am saddened that once again, an actor is expressing political views and people are listening. Why?

If only the rest of us could move there and get universal health care.

[quote]I’ve noticed Australians and other Anglo nations, always have to reassure themselves that their countries are so much better than the US.

Exactly. It's hilarious seeing foreign white people mention George Floyd. Are they fucking serious? Let's see if an Obama has a chance in hell of leading any of their "enlightened" countries. We absolutely have racial problems, but those other countries should STFU because here's the difference: The majority of American voters *didn't* vote for Trump. We are victim to a system that allows minority rule at every level. We have a system that allows a shit state like KY with a population smaller than NYC alone, to have as much power as NY itself. The gOP is currently trying to make it even harder to vote because they can't fucking win in a one person, one vote scenario.

They're far more racist in those other countries and the reason they've had more problems with their immigrant communities is specifically because they isolate them. In the US, if you're ambitious and work hard, you succeed regardless of you come from. It's only now with inferior, white trash having more power via that fat orange trashbag that we're having problems

[quote]They're far more racist in those other countries

Yes. The killings by cops alone put American high on a pedestal, don't they.

Poor, maligned things.

Yeah, they're way more racist everywhere else! Yeah!

The United States far surpasses most wealthy democracies in killings by police. U.S. police killed an estimated 7,638 people between 2013 and 2019. (According to the same database, they killed another 1,125 people in 2020.) In comparison, at least 224 people died in encounters with Canadian police between 2013 and 2019. Some countries, such as Finland and Norway, have gone years without police killings.

Over the life course, about 1 in every 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police. Risk of being killed by police peaks between the ages of 20 y and 35 y for men and women and for all racial and ethnic groups. Black women and men and American Indian and Alaska Native women and men are significantly more likely than white women and men to be killed by police. Latino men are also more likely to be killed by police than are white men.

What hypocritical trash she is, implying that America can't face its own past when she's from fucking AUSTRALIA, a land also colonized by white people through genocide, and she's out here saying its some kind of utopia in comparison. Stupid bitch.

no australian can point fingers

Funny how all the Americans on this thread are so confident in your status as number one in all things and yet all it takes are some ill-advised comments from a b-list actress from a geopolitically minor country to trigger the usual DL anti-Australian shitstorm.

Why do you care so much?

And as you do care so much, you could try making some cogent arguments that reflect some intelligence on your part, rather than revealing your absolute stupidity. Because really, most of the American responses above pretty much confirm that Griffith has a point. If you are representatives of your country as a whole, America is fucked.

Now back to shrieking “racism!”, “aborigines!” (we don’t use that word any more, you fools), “sexism!”, “skin cancer!” and my absolute favourite: “Australia doesn’t count because it doesn’t have any mountains!”. Yep, you guys are fucking geniuses!

Just waiting for some clod to chime in about winning WW2 and saving all our asses.

It makes sense if you’re wealthy Australia would be a pretty great place to live. And politically it’s much better.

And yet America is still stuck with Iggy Azalea

It's hilarious how some choose to defend their xenophobia by claiming Americans think the US is the best, #1, the greatest, etc....

Yet not one person in this thread has dared to make that claim. There's a lot of anger toward the hypocrisy of an Australian making hyperbolic claims, but nobody has used American exceptionalism as an excuse for America's problems.

It's just proof that most of America's staunchest critics have built their arguments from an irrational hatred, and nothing will ever change their minds.

I don't hate American irrationally. I don't even hate American. I do deplore its unique levels of entitlement and arrogance, which this thread demonstrates as amply as your claim of irrational hatred. American is arrogant in part and in denial in the rest. Rachel Griffiths' view should not be the undoing of so many of the great globalist liberals who think any Republican is a bad American. You cannot be fixing your shit and be unable to endure even a passing reference to it by somebody else, because God knows, you're not gonna talk about it.

I hate Trump, but he should've probably invaded Australia and turned it into a US territory so the US would've had the control over the Aussies.

They're there illegally anyway and that land belongs to the aborigines and not a bunch of crooks and criminals from the once "great" Britain.

That's the one thing I would've supported Trump on. But other than that, fuck Trump!

“Aborigines” (as you so ignorantly refer to the indigenous people of Australia, R190), don’t believe in land ownership. Rather, they believe that the land owns the people.

Probably better to get your facts straight and not to say things that reinforce your stupidity.

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, google it. Its rife through Australia, bitches got to drink themselves silly while preggers. Then the babies come out with tiny heads, they then feed them to the aborigines.

^^^ another erudite contribution from our American friends. You guys must be so proud!

Hilarious as always, GGG.

Come talk to us when you have an "apple," "microsoft", "amazon", "mgm", "Levis", "Michael Jackson", "ralph Laren," the list is endless.

I don't even know who the fuck this whore is, I didn't click on the link, I'm just pointing out some obvious facts!

Oh, they shut down the country when are are 2 cases of covid.

maybe "educate" us, what are your famous exports?

Those fucking kangaroos are basically disgusting giant rats with long tails....gross!

They have Muriel, though.

what the fuck are the Aussies good for anyways?

Natalie Portman and stay the fuck down there, she's a major cunt.

Natalie said Forget Paris?

For a start, knowing that “anyways” is not a word, R199.

They killed them like rats.

Why should you expect anybody to educate you, R197? Your country obviously failed you in that respect.

Refer to some of your neighbours on this thread for examples.

Many young starving Californian actors will never get a chance because ingrates like this whore keep getting gifted those roles! Fuck her!

Rachel Griffiths got international recognition via "Muriel's Wedding," an Australian movie. She didn't come to Hollywood as a nobody. She had buzz.

R204, Australia is not important enough for me to take notice. What are your famous exports?! Nothing special. You have skin cancer going for you, put on some SPF1000.

[Quote] What are your famous exports?!

My wife, the actress Coral Browne.

Oh please, she's fucking 52, she's wayyyy past her expiration date in Hollywood, she can't get work, that's the real reason she moved back to Australia.

#coldhardtruth

Doubtful. She was never an ingenue.

Honestly, good. I hope production companies will start to hire Americans again and let these foreigners do shitty movies in Australia that no one will watch. In the HBO show The Undoing nearly every cast member was British or Australian. I was appalled when I read most of the crew and designers on the show weren’t American either but it really showed in the final product. There are plenty of very talented out of work New Yorkers who they could have hired. And don’t get me started on all the black brits playing black American icons and getting annoyed when black Americans are angry (like Cynthia erivo). Yet brits would riot in the streets if an American was cast as James Bond.

Isn't Cynthia Erivo with Lena Waithe. She likes Americans.

You all can stick your drinks up your ass.

Rachel had one hit show. No one in America knows who she is. Sounds like she was broke and decided to move home to get cast in some stupid Aussie soap show so she could have a steady paycheck.

No one in America knows who most people are, unless they were on Duck Dynasty or have the surname Kardashian. Get over yourself. You are the contentedly inward, ignorant first world nation on the planet. Christ, there's nothing as amusing as an American on the high horse. Well, nothing as irritating, to be honest.

[Quote] Rachel had one hit show.

She was a regular on a TV show from 2001 to 2011. She has Fuck You money.

[Quote] In June 2020 Griffith made a number of social media posts during the Black Lives Matter protests, beginning by making light of the deaths in police custody by stating that "it's easier on the soul to watch this all happening with beautiful nails"

She sounds like a DLer.

$100 million for an actor is fuck you money. If she doesn't have that then I don't know what to say.

And that type of money for acting could only be made in America, no where else on earth is as generous with the salaries of actors as America is.

I see E, McGregor just became an American citizen Orlando Bloom lives in montecito and justin bieber is trying to become an American citizen. All of these common wealth citizens want American citizenship. Simon Cowell has a house in Beverly Hills. Hell, even prince harry lives here now.

That tells you everything you need to know about America. Inspite of, it's still the place to come and be. Everyone still wants that American dream.

Even the poor people who vote Republican.

R196 is “ralph Laren” the same as “Ralph Lauren”?

He licenses the manufacture of all his product outside the USA to other countries, primarily China, you dumb fuckwit.

Michael Jackson = pedophile.

The majority of Levi’s are made in Asia.

You’re right on one thing - you are in serious need of education. Maybe start with the basics of spelling and grammar.

Idiot.

These Aussies sure love coming on an American site and talking big time shit about Americans.

The fucking nerve.

[quite]R219 has arrived with his yardstick to measure dicks and braggadocio and to tell us what fuck you money really is, yes, that's right in American god-damned dollars.

[quote]Everyone still wants that American dream.

Actors like Griffiths and singers who had success in their native countries come to the U.S. with choices. They think, "why not, one good film, one good music tour and I would make more than I could at home in 20 years of working like mad."

But it takes a while to see what a place is like, and at some point many think: my real friends, my family, the life where people make time to do things besides work on their vacation days, where no one I know is in therapy, is worried about losing their health insurance if they have to retire early, where R219 isn't running around with his dick measurer and laughing at your celebrity net worth estimates. Some people in her position stay, some go back to a place that the U.S. made them realize was the home where they feel comfortable and happy.

It's not an altogether surprising move. Americans who retire to Mexico or Costs Rica or Tuscany do it often enough. And other Americans with the choice has left and, like R152, see that the American Dream is in many respects the American Lie.

[quote] Funny how all the Americans on this thread are so confident in your status as number one in all things a

Someone on this thread keeps posting this same shit over and over again. Has any person on this thread actually claimed America is number one? No. So shut the fuck up.

Griffiths has three kids. The last was born about a decade ago. She doesn't want to raise her kids in LA. I don't blame her.

Australia has produced NOTHING worthy that deserves attention of Americans.

Sucks to be you Australia...you're too far away to be relevant!

I should start posting pro-American / anti-Austalian propoganda on DataBogan.

[quote]when my upper-middle class Australian told me, without hesitation "I would find it really difficult to sit down and have a drink with an aboriginal person. I would just feel really uncomfortable." And apparently ,that sentiment is shared by most non aboriginal people in Australia.

What absolute horseshit and a totally made-up preposterous claim to make about all Australian people R54.

Oh I can see how much some of you can’t deal with people pointing out where you’re wrong. But what you don’t see is that when the best that you can come back with is “Shut the fuck up”, I know that I’ve struck a nerve.

So many of the things that you are accusing Australia of (irrelevance, racism, dispossession of the indigenous population, sexism, misogyny, white trash etc) reflect the way that the civilised world sees the USA.

It’s called projection.

So no, I won’t shut the fuck up. If you can’t deal with that then feel free to block me. Or come back with a more intelligent response than “shut the fuck up”.

R229, we're stating facts, too bad you can't handle the truth!

How's the mouse plague?

R229, it's funny how you talk about striking a nerve yet you seem so defensive of anyone criticizing Australia. And once again--nobody on this thread claimed America is number one despite your insistence to the contrary. If anyone is projecting, it's you. And yes, you are right that many people view America in the way you stated. Many view Australia in the same exact way.

Fare thee well oh Brenda Chenowith. In time we so loved ye and your dysfunctional ways. Our champion of nothing in particular.

This is why they need to stop casting Australian and British actors as Americans. They take all the work and yet look down on the place. They are truly the definition of parasites.

I have no connection nor affection for Australia, nor any strong opinion on Rachel Griffiths. It's disappointing, though, to see so many Data Loungers turn so rabidly America First, and Build A Wall (to protect 7-figure salaries of American actors, of all things.).

It's another reminder that Americans are thin-skinned, defensive, and quick to trot out childish arguments and old saws about American Dreams and with them, old hatreds of anything foreign. It's easy to say the rot comes climbing over walls and but it comes, as it does everywhere, from within.

America is the best English speaking country and nobody can take that away. Even with terrible things like police violence, rampant gun violence and lack of healthcare it’s still got a culture other countries can’t compare with.

[quote] Funny how all the Americans on this thread are so confident in your status as number one in all things

We didn’t say that.

What we did say is the Murdochs are evil Australian horse cunts who are responsible for most of the trouble in the US today. They’ve been lying through their horse teeth for 30 years & fanning flames of racism and conspiracy.

Lachlan Murdoch culturally appropriated aboriginal tribal tattoos

Not to pile on but Rachel Griffiths gave one of the lousiest most amateur performances I've seen on the legitimate stage in the Broadway production of "Other Desert Cities".

Granted, the play and Joe Mantello's direction were also really shitty.

Was she playing opposite Linda Lavin?

This is not meant as a dig at all but Americans do tend to wear rose colored glasses when it comes to viewing their own country. American patriotism is a very serious thing in the US in a way that it's not in other English speaking countries. Brits, Canadians and Aussie, are much more self-effacing and overt patriotism is seen a something of a joke. I think it's a hangover of British colonialism but political/cultural satire is much more culturally accepted in these countries, where as Americans are more serious about their country.

Politically speaking, it is my belief that Australia has been the single most toxic of American "allies" after Israel for reasons to do with their role in the development of the Vietnam War.

Fuck those people. War-mongering ass-kissing parasites.

The political classes, at least. The regular folks are regular folks. Just woefully uninformed.

Do you know if we put the word Black before Australia a lot of these posts would be considered racist. It is fortuitous ,is it not ,that Americans have found a way to be derogatory and xenophobic and still not feel that they are doing anything wrong? It is almost as though a group of privileged elite decided amongst themselves that rather than discuss the real inequality between rich and poor we would invent a whole other conversation to deflect from those real issues.

You never hear the term "patriotic" in relation to Australia and Australians. You might say "I love Australia", but the phrasing "I am a patriotic American" is peculiar to Americans.

An Australian might say "That's unpatriotic" if you said you didn't like Vegemite. But if you said you were a Communist or you disapproved of the Allied role in the Middle East it wouldn't cross their minds as a comeback.

[quote] Oh please, she's fucking 52, she's wayyyy past her expiration date in Hollywood, she can't get work, that's the real reason she moved back to Australia.

Did she have a green card? If she was here only on employment-contingent visas, she may have had no choice but to repatriate once the acting work stopped.

[quote] Americans have found a way to be derogatory and xenophobic and still not feel that they are doing anything wrong?

Yes, Americans are the only ones who do this, no people from other countries do this.

Wow, R243 really tried to gaslight us into believing their bullshit. You fucking replace the word "Americans" with "black" in this thread, and then your eyes will really be opened to the xenophobic bullshit in this thread.

Xenophobia:

1. An aversion or hostility to, disdain for, or fear of foreigners, people from different cultures, or strangers.

2. Fear or dislike of the customs, dress, etc., of people who are culturally different from oneself.

Xenophobia is considered by most intelligent people to be a moral failure, yet non-Americans think it's perfectly fine to shit on everything to do with the US...especially all 330 million people (who couldn't POSSIBLY be different from one another).

I grew up with an unquestioned affection for Australia and have always considered visiting to be a lifelong goal. While that's still the case, should I ever go I'll try to engage in nature-related activities that don't involve interacting with locals. If the Aussies on DL are any indication of what to expect, their opinion of Americans is set in stone and they might be disappointed to find I'm not a gun-loving racist who gets off on bankrupting people requiring expensive medical care.

Interesting but unsurprising that this has devolved into an international "which country is worse" thread. The truth is no country is perfect, nor a monolith. Every nation has its own specific set of problems. Rachel probably got burned out in the American entertainment industry and decided to go home and work comfortably there. Given the widespread cultural tumult the US is experiencing at the moment, it's easy to point out X, Y, and Z of what's wrong with the country, but I somehow doubt most of those things are the reason Rachel packed up and went back to Oz a decade ago.

Aussies are what the flithy British shit out. Remember they gave us Steve Irwin and Rebel Wilson, not exactly high bred people.

I don't give a shit about Steve Irwin and Rebel Wilson. I care about Rupert Murdoch and Scott Morrison. The latter are toxic fascists working to destroy the US and democracy the world over.

“ it's perfectly fine to shit on everything to do with the US...especially all 330 million people (who couldn't POSSIBLY be different from one another).” R247

See I agree but what is good for the goose is good for the gander. You can’t say every American is as above , but nor can you make sweeping generalisations like

“Aussies are what the flithy British shit out. Remember they gave us Steve Irwin and Rebel Wilson, not exactly high bred people.”

—Anonymous

Not exactly something a Aussie can take well.

So to those factually challenged some facts.

Most Australians live in cities . Sydney and Melbourne have a population of nearly 5 million each.

Most Australians would not have been in the outback.

Most Australians will have seen a Kangaroo a few times in their life, not every month, not every week and certainly not every day.

Most Australians migrated after convicts that had been sent to Australia had finished. The majority of British came during the 1850s Gold Rush up until now. Europeans came after 1945 and Asians after 1970s especially after the Vietnam war. 35% of Australians are foreign born . Many are from Asia , India and also Europe.

A convict colony began because of the War of American Independence where convicts had been sent BEFORE the Revolution.

Yes, it isn't discussed much, but a large amount of people who migrated to America in the colonial days were convicts or indentured servants.

R251 There’s no point in presenting facts to people who couldn’t locate their own country on a map, let alone Australia.

They’ll be too busy googling “mouse plague” and “racism” and “convicts” and “kangaroos” and (this one is actually hilarious) “Rebel Wilson & Steve Irwin” to justify what they think they know.

I’ve participated in this thread. I’ve also happily visited the USA pretty much every year since the mid-nineties, both to work and to play. It’s shocking to me to see both the virulence and the stupidity of so many of the American responses on here. There will always be the lowest common denominator in “discussions” like this by I seriously believed that the average DL member wasn’t so rabidly nationalistic and so chronically ill-informed as so many of the posts above.

Other fun facts

Parts of Australia can be in incredibly cold, as in Melbourne and Tasmania with mountains where with ski resorts attached. More snow can fall on some Australian mountains than the Swiss Alps . The reason is the proximity to Antarctica.

No mate you’ve got it all wrong - ask the informed Americans above. The whole continent is a dusty hell-hole, devoid of life.

Nobody gives a fuck about Australia! You're too fucking far away! out of sight, out of mind! You ain't that important!!!

Fucking useless if you ask me.

R255 Ahhhh, the 12 Apostles. Which are now down to 8. The other 4 collapsed from sheer boredom.

R254, amazing how the Australian ski industry has yet to dominate the global resort market, isn't it.

I mean, given the fact that you invented coffee and avocados, skiing can't be too far behind.

Right after Halloween and surprise anal, I'm thinking.

And yet here you are, R256, with your incredibly intelligent input. You don’t fucking care? I think that you do. Why is that, R256? See if you can formulate a reply that doesn’t use the word “fuck”. Or that makes sense, although that could be more of a challenge.

Avocados, now? You people really aren’t too bright, are you?

But avocados! And Rebel Wilson! And no mountains! And convicts! And actors stealing our jobs! And WW2!

The worn down nubs you call mountains in Australia are a joke.

[quote] It's just proof that most of America's staunchest critics have built their arguments from an irrational hatred, and nothing will ever change their minds.

Teddy Roosevelt understood

We have too many Aussie actors. The only one I like is Toni Colette. I could do without most of them, particularly the snooze inducing Kidman and Watts.

But how about those avocados, R261? And the coffee? And Steve Irwin etc etc etc.

You’re clutching at straws and looking idiotic but don’t let that slow you down.

Australia is a burnt out apocalyptic wasteland with a few million descendants of convicts and a bunch of third world immigrants clinging to the edge. Even the edge burst into flames regularly. No wonder all their professional, including actors, flee.

Cunt Aussies can dish it out but can't take it. Because you almost killed off your indigenous people, you were determined not to let anymore darkies come into the country, and by god you didn't. You even codified it.

A five-year old girl could climb Australia's tallest mountain in an afternoon. My point is the idiotic Australian actor who claims Australia is so much better for nature, when North America is hands down the most beautiful and diverse place on earth. If you really wanted to show your kid nature you;d take them to all the national parks in Canada, the US, and Mexico. Not Australia, the hottest, driest, and and most boring continent.

Couldn't hack it in the US, huh?

Back to the Outback with you, Stinky.

R267 The White Australia Policy was official until 1972, unofficial until 1983, when Hawkie opened up immigration to Asia and Africa.

Australia has gotten as far as it has because it has a small, largely homogeneous population. I can't fault its leaders/populace for heeding the social nightmares occurring in Europe and America and taking the steps necessary to preserve social cohesion.

[quote]A five-year old girl could climb Australia's tallest mountain in an afternoon.

Climb? Naw, mate. The only climbing Aussies do is into the ute. There isn't a mountain in Oz without a road to the top.

It is really funny that except for Kidman (who is now only getting roles on TV anyway) and Chris Hemsworth, none of these people really made it in the US despite early promise.

^^^^Hey Miss Kiwi, can we talk about how you people gun down muslims in mosques, you're not getting off scott free either.

R263, Hey! Australia sucks wombat asshole, but do not speak evil against Naomi! She was amazing in Mullholland Drive and gets a free pass for me on that performance alone.

Love Toni too, and Nicole is actually underrated.

However, oddly, as usual with English-speaking nations anyway, the actresses way outclass the actors.

R273 BWAHAHAAHAH He was an Australian you stupid cunt.

R273, that was an Australian.

They always send their worst people abroad.

Australians are from bad breeding. I mean it was a prison no? We don't recommend the underclass.

Aussies are so exhausting. Go back home and never come back.

R191 [quote] the indigenous people of Australia don’t believe in land ownership.

No.

All these people are paid wages to do whatever they do.

Now it’s devolved into a pissing competition about mountain height?

You Americans are very very funny!

But avocados! And sharks! And Nicole Kidman Wilson Hogan’ flat whites etc etc! Anything!

It’s funny how the more obsessed the American is, the direct correlation there is to their literacy.

You fuckers can’t even get your spelling right!

[quote]A slew of Aussie have returned home over the past year, including actress Isla Fisher, 45, who brought her English husband Sacha Baron Cohen, 49, and their children, with her.

The pair, who are now based in Sydney, were fleeing America's tumultuous political climate, reports claim.

'They didn't want to raise their kids in Trump's America,' an insider told Sydney Morning Herald.

The couple relocated to Australia in December, and have since enrolled their three children at a school in Sydney.

I guess Sasha and Isla didn't hear about the election results the month before.

Yes, R282, because everything’s just fine now! Right?

It's not Trump's America which was the point r282.

You crow eaters need to bend the knee to Mighty Joe

R280, would it help if I pointed out that Australia is a murderous racist nation that exists on the absolute extermination of its native peoples, refers back to them to whine about that Australia has the oldest existing culture whenever it suits their purposes (while literally bulldozing ancient sites as recently as last year) and has worked as hard as it can to overthrow American democracy through its vile 1% for the last 70 years if not more?

Gina Rinehart ring a bell?

How about Tony Abbott?

Does that work for you?

But racists! And non-competitive ski resorts! And regular lattes! And accents! And avocados! And convicts! And relatively small mountains! And Lachlan Murdoch’s tattoo!

And, and...Rebel Wilson!

R282 I get a very nasty vibe from both Cohen and Fischer. Cohen seems like a cruel asshole, he's in no position to preach or wag fingers. And I say this as someone who thinks the US has massive social and inequality problems that need to be addressed.

Griffiths has only one nomination and it was in supporting. Why do we care what she says?

Rachel is currently sucking on the ABC public broadcasting titty.

Say the right 'left' things, keep banging on about how bad the Catholic Church is, and keep getting the tax-payer funded ABC acting gigs.

But Zilka-headed FAS babies being fed to the aborigines! Oh, they’re from Brazil? Same thing, right? Australia’s in South America. Just next to China. But condescending foreigners! And Naomi Watts! English, really? Same thing! But common wealth! And commonwealth! But the vicious gay LA casting agents’ vendetta against the Aussies!

And, and...Rita Ora, who’s not Australian! But she’s in Australia, fucking Taika Waititi! Wait - he’s a Kiwi? Isn’t that a fruit? Same thing, but!

How is Australian healthcare?

A great teacher of mine retired (returned home) there. He died so quickly from cancer. Afterwards I wished I'd known and had brought him to the states for treatment. Not sure if the outcome would have been better.

They water their lawns in Australia with something called "grey water" aka sewer shit. Sydney smells like ass.

R294, probably skin cancer.

[quote] We are well aware of the problems to the point of exhaustion.

The problem is we don't all agree on what the real problems are.

Do you get off on dumping on us ? You really are a perverse bunch aren’t you? You talk about not giving a shit about Australia and yet here you are shitting on us on reply 300 .

The other thing that amazes me is how many people think that only Americans read this site. It is staggering that when over 1 billion people speak English , yet somehow Americans are the only ones who can reply ? I mean do the even understand what WWW means?

R298 Do you have a point, cobber?

And Team Stingray, too. That cunt had it coming for all the animal abuse and fake happy bullshit.

But a huge net in the middle of the Pacific! But Drag Race Down under filmed in New Zealand! But Canadian vaccination rates! But Iggy Azalea’s enormous arse! But Trump’s deferred plan to invade Australia! But giant rats with long tails! But Rachel Griffiths dialing it in for “Other Desert Cities”!

Yes, some very special people making very special contributions to the thread.

R301, you forgot SKIN CANCER and shark attacks!

You might find this crawling on your home in Australia. What a shit hole!

Rachel Griffiths was the sour Lemon Tart.

She was a good counterpoint to Muriel who as dopey as a Lamington!

[bold]FACT:[/bold] Rupert Murdoch is an American citizen. He has no Australian citizenship.

In 1985 he gave up his Australian citizenship to satisfy the legal requirement for US television network ownership. He's a nasty, vile cunt and we don't want him back. He has destroyed the US, UK and Australian media and he can't die soon enough. His death will be highly celebrated.

R304 Even better in Cosi.

That’s a cute little lizard, R303. We keep them as pets. We’re not afraid of wildlife like you American pussies.

R307 It is spelt L-O-V-E-R-S. Not P-E-T-S.

Tell me are you jealous because we have free healthcare or because we don’t have gun violence like you do on any scale. Maybe it is because Religious fundamentalism doesn’t really have any hold on Australians, the way it does in the US?

Is it more fundamental than that ? Like having 4 weeks a year Annual Leave , or is it having Long Service Leave after being in a company longer than 10 years. I have 12 weeks so far. Been to Europe 4 times for about 2 months each time in the last 6 years? Maybe our sick leave ? I get 2 weeks a year and it accumulates per year. I currently have 6 months. Sick leave is very much a thing in companies.

Maybe it is our Politics? After all we have the most boring politics in the world , but the idea that a Trump would take over Australia. Not going to happen.

Personally I love our sarcasm and self depreciation. It is very English and to be honest I love it.

R309 You realise not every Datalounger is in America? And your twiggered reaction is so jolly sad?

I'm critical about things in the United States, but when I see white-dominated countries criticizing you guys it comes across as stupid.

At least the United States has a multicultural society and it's trying to come to terms with that. It also needs to come to terms with the marginalization of the First Nations. I don't see other Western countries doing that. New Zealand may be a close second, but Europe, Australia... they need to try harder.

Bitch please. She left for the same reason as millions of expats in the world did last year ; the lack of job and money drying up. In already highly competitive and horrifically ageist Hollywood have no use for B-list actress of her age. And in post-covid world it will get even worse.

She's better off stocking shelves at Coles in her hometown of Porpoise Spit QLD.

R311 If you don’t think that Australia is a multicultural society and as you seem to believe that Europe is a country, it’s you who comes across as stupid.

Fucking stupid.

Now where did I call Europe a country?

[quote] stocking shelves at Coles in her hometown

Oh no, that job's already taken.

“It also needs to come to terms with the marginalization of the First Nations. I don't see other Western countries doing that. New Zealand may be a close second, but Europe, Australia... they need to try harder.”

Who are Europe’s First Nations ? The Celts? The Saxons? If you think the Vikings are getting reparations I have a monastery I can sell you ?

R316 needs to learn to read for meaning.

So, anyway, Yanks, you need to send your Tamil/Black VP on a trip to Rachel Griffith's home state.

Queensland: Racist One Day, Bigoted the Next

[R316] needs to learn to read for meaning.

—Anonymous On Datalounge?

Rachel Griffiths has been discussed more in 2 days than she has in 20 years. Her caeer has been drying up since the 2010's, her past few projects have been Australian, and her husband (Andrew Taylor) hasn't had an exhibition in the US for years. This was the right move for her. Actually, I'm going to forgive her comments based on the belief her shuttle ride to LAX went along the lines of:

Rachel: Bye street.

Child #1: Bye mall.

Child #2: Goodbye beach! Goodbye tourists!

Andrew: Bye plaza!

Child #3: Goodbye Surf Club! See ya, surfies!

Andrew: See ya, high rises!

Rachel: Bye, Fun World!

All: Goodbye Porpoise Spit!!!!

[quote]Aussies are what the flithy British shit out. Remember they gave us Steve Irwin and Rebel Wilson, not exactly high bred people.

Unlike the fine people of the former Confederate States of America. And Arizona. And Idaho. And....

Tell me more about this “Acknowledgment of Country” business. Is this just for school assemblies? How long has it been happening and how do people feel about it? I think it’s kind of nice on the one hand, but on the other it seems a bit like stating one’s preferred pronouns.

^ It's like a prayer.

You have to recite the prayer before every public meeting and in EVERY government office.

You have to pray this prayer to a god who has no name.

Australia can't quit us. They'll leave.... temporarily.

More celebrities are moving back to their home states or countries. I think a lot if people are just home sick and want to be around their families and friends and childhood memories etc.

But Hollywood does need to make more of an effort to invest in serious homegrown American talent who are actually familiar with American stories being told in film instead of always hiring foreigners for those projects.

There's nothing wrong with native American investment. After all, a country's greatest asset is its citizens. We need to invest in our own.

Hollywood is a very touchy subject for Americans when it comes to work for American actors vs foreign actors. Something definitely needs to be done about that.

F. I. L. A. T. S.

Failed in Los Angeles; try Sydney.

I don't mind foreign actors playing Americans. Sometimes I think they bring an interpretation to it that is rewarding. Toni Collette and Tom Holland are two off the top of my head that I've enjoyed in recent films.

I think it does get a bit dicey when black British actors play black Americans.

And it gets really fucking tiresome when British/Australian/etc. actors have a run of success in the US and then crap on the place. Rachel wouldn't be making any kind of news about her move if not for her US work. "The one who played the loud short-haired one in Muriel's Wedding thinks the US is crap" is not a headline.

Australians can criticise other nations about many things and can be proud of what they achieved BUT the complex racial issues facing diverse countries like USA are NOT one of those they should be opinionising about.

85% of Australian population is white and the country is not known for being very welcoming to immigrants from Africa.

C'mon Aussies, tell us your favourite abo jokes. You know you want to.

I could never stand that woman on anything I saw her in. Such an unlikable, charmless vibe.

Do Aboriginal Australians still keep mainly to themselves? Or is there a lot of intermarriage and integration nowadays?

R329 I completely agree about black British actors playing African Americans, very dicey indeed. Black Americans have worked and fought hard for everything they have only to have foreign blacks come in and take things away from them.

African Americans are the decedent's of enslaved Africans and it's that specific bloodline that has endured the traumas and horrors of this country cruel mistreatment for centuries. There should be an aggressive effort to make sure African American actors have first consideration of roles rather then black actors from England or Africa etc.

It's African Americans who faught for the opportunities black people now enjoy in the US, not foreign blacks who are just swooping in taking a considerable amount of role's away from black American actors. The history should definitely be considered when making casting decisions.

African Americans have a very specific type of trauma they've experienced that is unique to them and their bloodline that only they would understand vs blacks who aren't American.

I just watched the finale of Mare of Easttown and noticed something that’s always creeped me out: I only recently learned through this thread Australians despise Americans, but they tend to do the best American accents of any non-American (excluding Canadians). I can typically tell when a Brit or Irish person is trying to do an American accent, but Angourie Rice of Mare..., Anthony LaPaglia, Toni Collette, Simon Baker, Rose Byrne, Mia Wasikowska, and Elizabeth Debicki are just some of the Aussies who I was shocked to find out weren’t American (judging only by accents they’ve used onscreen).

[quote]Hollywood is a very touchy subject for Americans when it comes to work for American actors vs foreign actors. Something definitely needs to be done about that.

Does it though? Everything's global these days. The times sure are changing here at Downton America. The car you may drive probably has parts from ten different places and as likely as not was put together in another country. The Pfizer vaccine was conjured up in Germany. Plus, the movie business in terms of bums in seats is fading fast. It's all about streaming and channels now, so, arguably the market has changed. In any event, nobody held a gun to Hollywood's head and said you have to hire your-non-American-star's-name-goes-here. They make business decisions, which have probably been focus grouped into next week.

Hollywood is based in America Bitch!

I would have left too. But shit, I was stuck in the US.

R331 I almost don’t want to dignify your comment with a response but you’re obviously an idiot.

The “a” word that you use is just as much a pejorative in Australia as the “n” word is in the USA. You wouldn’t use the latter here (or maybe you would, being stupid ugly trash).

Just when I think that the DL has hit a new low someone like you crawls out from under a rock to surprise me.

You are scum.

R335 I wouldn’t make the assumption about Australians “despising” Americans based on this thread.

Just as I try not to make the assumption that all Americans are myopic, thin-skinned, ill-educated xenophobes based on this thread.

But if you want an example of the kind of thing that we do despise, check out R331 and R340.

R331 has to be trash...99.9% of Americans couldn’t tell you what that word means, which indicates they’re quite familiar with using derogatory, racist terms...regardless of how obscure they might be.

You Australians will be speaking chinese soon anyway when Beijing takes over, you know its coming, you can't protect your own asses.

That's rich, an Aussie calling someone trash while sitting in a lawn chair wearing a pair of 99 cent flip flops with a beer in his hand.

So you’re defending the use of that racist term, R344? Classy!

R343 I just love it when Americans trot out the “we’ll save your asses with the Chinese” trope!

It’s the 2020s version of “we saved your asses in WW2” trope which Americans use when Europeans dare to make a non-positive comment about the USA.

Just an FYI you dumb fuck - Australia has been involved in a trade war with China since Covid first broke, pretty much unsupported by any of our allies, resulting from Australia calling for an independent investigation into the origins of Covid 19. We have since found alternative markets for exports on which the Chinese placed tariffs, and have been alone in formally standing up to China’s economic bullying, until recently, when UK and NZ have stepped up a bit. The USA under Trump was nowhere to be found.

As far as speaking “Chinese” - I assume that you are referring to Mandarin, not Cantonese? There is no “Chinese” language. Most Australians of Hong Kong or Taiwanese origin speak Cantonese at home. Those of mainland origin speak Mandarin at home. Children from primary school age are given the option of learning either.

But you’d know all that, right? Being an expert on China’s complex relationship with Australia.

Go stick your fat head in another bucket of KFC and leave the complex discussions to the grownups.

R346 Are you being sarcastic when you commence with the words " I just love it"?

R347 - yes - Australian irony.

'Australian irony' is what we would call Foreign sarcasm.

You will be misunderstood.

All the Australian soap operas had all-white casts for three decades and most of these Aussie actors started on those shows. They have no fucking right to be blind to their nation's own horrific past of racism and genocide.

[quote] horrific past

That's your perception, R350. But I suggest that the 'horror' in Australia's past is tiny compared to others.

Australia's past may have involved spears and muskets; others involved cannons and Howitzers.

I can live with that, R349.

By “we” I assume that you mean Americans? This is an overwhelmingly American board but not exclusively so. I shouldn’t have to tailor my style (any more than my Anglo spelling) for people uncomfortable with communicating in international media and/or for American sensibilities.

I’m sure that you meant well - just food for thought. Given some of the vitriol upthread I hope that you’ll take this reply in the spirit in which it’s given.

A good example R349 is your use of the word “foreign”. Especially capitalised!

To Americans, it denotes “not American”, to many anglophone countries it has a more negative connotation.

Which is why in international business communications (where I work) we are encouraged to use “international” instead.

Think about it - even Americans are “Foreign” on most of the planet.

Words can be powerful.

Everything she says is TRUE. Trump and the Rethuglicans have destroyed the US.

R353

But the adjective Black is capitalised while the adjective white isn't.

[quote] They have no fucking right to be blind

R350 But the UN Charter of Human Rights says people have the right to be just whatever they please.

The Tulsa race massacre took place May 31 and June 1, 1921, when mobs of White residents, many of them deputized and given weapons by city officials, attacked Black residents and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma, US. Alternatively known as the Black Wall Street Massacre, the Greenwood Massacre, the Tulsa Massacre, the Tulsa pogrom, or the Tulsa race riot, it marks one of the single worst incident(s) of racial violence in American history. The attack, carried out on the ground and from private aircraft, destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the district – at that time the wealthiest Black community in the United States, known as "Black Wall Street".

More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals, and as many as 6,000 Black residents were interned in large facilities, many of them for several days. Over 10,000 black people were rendered homeless and destitute. Insurance companies refused to pay out claims.

Fair enough, R355 - I used neither word in my post, though?

I visited Australia for work last year, mainly smaller provincial cities near Melbourne and found the people really wonderful.

FINALLY! Someone posting in this thread who has actually been to Australia and experienced Australia first hand. Thanks for posting R359.

The Ku Klux Klan has existed in three distinct eras. Each has advocated extremist reactionary positions such as white nationalism, anti-immigration and – especially in later iterations – Nordicism, antisemitism, anti-Catholicism, Prohibition, right-wing populism, anti-communism, homophobia, Islamophobia, and anti-atheism. Historically, the first Klan used terrorism – both physical assault and murder – against politically active blacks and their allies in the Southern United States in the late 1860s.

All three movements have called for the "purification" of American society and all are considered "right-wing extremist" organizations.

[quite]But Hollywood does need to make more of an effort to invest in serious homegrown American talent who are actually familiar with American stories being told in film instead of always hiring foreigners for those projects.

Hollywood? What is Hollywood anymore but huge productions of comic superhero franchises? With a dwindling number of cinemas dealt a blow by Covid, I don't see them changing course and investing in a lot of Americana themed with American casting. Or broadcast network TV? Not a chance.

Look at Netflix which unsurprisingly flourished in Covid times, but look also at their mist successful series. Bridgerton. La Casa de Papel (Money Heist). The Witcher, all non-U.S. productions or significantly so. The most successful programming on subscription TV includes many projects that are international productions or non-U.S.

The model of Hollywood makes and the world takes has changed and continues to drift away from a single epicenter to Hollywood as one of many. International casting is not going to recede to make room for America First actors and writers and sweet stories about bridges in some I-state. Americana used to sell because it was the stocked mist of the shelves in the store. It needs to do better to remain completive beyond Marvel moneymakers, and all American themes and all American productions and casts are not going to carry the day.

In the early 1830s, governments across the colony offered bounties of £5 per aboriginal adult and £2 per child. By the middle of the decade, it was open season on the native people.

Aboriginal artifacts and possessions continue to legally belong to the Crown, and deceased natives’ property still goes into receivership rather than being inherited by the next of kin, though in 2012 the Australian government admitted it was “considering” changing this law.

On February 20, 1939, a Nazi rally took place at Madison Square Garden, organized by the German American Bund. [bold]More than 20,000 people attended[/bold], and Fritz Julius Kuhn was a featured speaker.

The Bund billed the event, which took place two days before George Washington's Birthday, as a pro-"Americanism" rally; the stage at the event featured a huge Washington portrait with swastikas on each side.

Stick your drink up your ass, America. I'd rather swallow razor blades than have to live with you.

Signs were used to indicate where African Americans could legally walk, talk, drink, rest, ride or eat. Segregated facilities extended from white-only schools to white-only graveyards.

Australia needed no such signs.

They just had the really big one at the Harbo(u)r.

Here's the thing, kids. You don't need pikers like the KKK when your entire government is basically that without the sheets.

R365 sounds more like Kylie Minogue who "frankly, I would rather put pins in my eyes" than spend a year with Americans.

[from 20 seconds]

Considering how many posters in this thread have stated that nobody cares about Australia, that it isn’t important and is irrelevant, it’s curious how so many of you do care and have been triggered by the words of one obscure actor who you say is equally unimportant and irrelevant.

Two days and 368 replies later and you sad defensive queens still can’t let it go. Maybe you all believe that she got it right all along - otherwise, why would you care?

Rachel Griffiths really did touch a nerve, didn’t she?

I think unthinking vulgarity, ingratitude and complete hypocrisy are usually popular topics of discussion here and she exhibited all three, R369.

^^^perfectly proving my point!

R367 That says something about white society, rather in America Canada Australia the UK or across Europe.

All white people are pretty much the same. White people tend to have a limit on what they will tolerate from none whites, even if those same people are trying to get whites to fix and make whole what white society broke and broke intentionally. See America with slavery Jim crow black wallstreet and everything else since Jim crow "ended."

The KKK is alive and well the world over in the above listed countries and continents, Metaphorically speaking.

"Queen" Elizabeth is the real grand wizard.

R370 and above - nobody is saying that Americans can’t defend yourselves against the apparently earth-shattering lack of gratitude displayed by a mostly unknown actress who left LA ten years ago. But if you’re going to do that, you could at least come up with a sensible argument rather than blathering on about avocados, sharks, dingoes, Rebel Wilson, unnecessarily arrogant baristas in Santa Monica, compulsory Mandarin language lessons for all, not-kangaroos-but-giant-rats, Zilka-headed babies as delightfully tasty brunch menu items and building a giant Pacific net to catch the Qantas aircraft on descent to LAX.

Because you just look silly. Which is entertaining for the rest of us but presumably not the look that you’re going for.

Take me with you, Rachel! I don't want to live in a country where people don't have the sense to avoid a plague... like a plague!!!

r372 typical comment from somebody who doesn't know a lot of white people.

And on Memorial Day 1927, Fred Trump was arrested for attending a Klu Klux Klan rally. He was wearing the white robe

the Klan had been distributing leaflets about being "assaulted" by the "Roman Catholic police of New York City"

Now we know where the former president gets it from

R363

Who wrote this article?

It has no footnotes to justify its claims.

R368, I think what Kylie said was hilarious and very obviously about having to do the publicity round.

Girls, girls, girls! It's time to listen to "We are the World" again!

USA. Built on the backs of slaves who are still persecuted to this very day...

R377 - as evidenced in the comments from other historical scholars - the entire article and claims in the article are completely fabricated and factually inaccurate.

The idiot R363 didn't bother to read it before posting otherwise he wouldn't have made himself look like a fool by posting it.

R375 Actually I know plenty of white people and I speak from experience, which is why I posted what I did.

R380 Yes absolutely, western society was built by black and brown people enslaved buy whites. We literally built America the UK Australia New Zealand Canada ad well as across Europe.

And white people have the nerve to tell black people they're not entitled to reparations or repealing of certain laws that were put in place to subjugate black. Hell, we can't even get an anti lynching bill passed. They been trying to pass one since the 1800s and it's 2021 and Republicans still refuse to support an anti lynching bill into law. That's how fucked up America is, even in 2021.

White people just aren't redeemable in my personal opinion. They will never do the right thing. There's a growing drum beat of people say, if these institutions aren't going to work for everyone and if politicans are just going to play politics with every issue and peoples lives are on the line. Then those institutions physical structures shouldn't be standing, because they serve zero purpose.

I wouldn't be surprised if a group of people completely flattened Washington DC one day, those institutions and government agencies don't work for everyday Americans. Everyday Americans get nothing from Washington. Politicans are going to learn the hard way, there's extremists on both sid5and I wouldn't want to be any elected officials when the shit finally hits the fan.

People are fed up and tired of Washington's shit and them not getting anything done for everyday Americans. And if something does get done, it's usually watered down and ineffective of real change. Washington is playing with fire as of now.

R382 Apart from your racist rant, long on vitriol and very short on accuracy, White people are not the cause of the misfortune of you or your way overgeneralized Black and Brown people. For the cause, you need simply look in the mirror.

One salient fact that racists like you ignore in your blanket condemnation of everything White/European is that without Muslim slavers and their centuries of African slave trading knowledge, there would not have been a slave trade. Anywhere.

R383 I love how you completely over looked the anti lynching bill I brought up.

White people run America overwhelmingly still. They can fix the problems but choose not to. It's them who are the problem, nothing is over simplified. I stated facts.

How on earth a story about a bitter aging cunt crawled back to Boganville, NSW now become thread about racism?

R385 Welcome to Datalounge. To the magic, to the fun..

r382 delusional. Your inferiority complex is innate.

I get some peoples' points about making the good money and leaving...and the Murdochs pushing a terrible agenda through fox news and the influence that is tearing our country apart. I agree with that. However, if I had another country I could return...leaving behind the chaos with the mass shootings...now almost on a daily basis and the violence and anger that's happening...I would get the hell out, too. As I see it, it's not going to get any better. If it does, as some point, it wouldn't be for a long time. I can't afford it and through some google searches, it's not as easy as you think.

GOP policies has created the mess we're living with in this country at the moment. Throw in fox news and other crazy propaganda based right wing media along with Trumpism, and you've got the perfect storm taking place.

america is shitty. We work long hours (40 to 70 hrs a week), we have shitty health insurance, super expensive college, barely any vacation, barely any worker protection rights and barely any type of retirement. Rich people can get laws created that help just them. Corporations have more rights than the citizens

the president and half the states still want to keep the "war on drugs" going. Despite it being the biggest failure that's ruined the lives of millions of people. All while letting the seditious politicians, the former president and all his cronies go away unpunished

america SUCKS

If I had the money, I'd move away

That's why you need unions!

[quote] unions

They don't work in show biz. Everyone wants to be a star and everyone is happy to go dog-eat-dog.

If you're gonna be in showbiz, make a ton of money save and invest wisely and don't live in LA.

That way when it gets to be to much for you, you can exit Hollywood and go live a nice peaceful quiet life with financial security and no worries.

That's how you do it. So many people have done that.

Australia pioneered the right-wing media monopoly that created Trump. This brainless ho OP quotes moved away when Barack Obama was president, but she thinks our country lies to itself. Her country has literally nobody who tells the truth about aboriginal genocide. My favorite Aussie cunt was the melodramatic guy who won Australia's Got Talent at age 14, left to "make it" in LA at 16 BY HIMSELF, claimed to be a victim of predatory Americans, and came home to compete in other talent shows (which he lost). He speaks darkly (and very vaguely) about his time in America at 4:45, but of course in January 2020 he was back in America again!

It's aaaaalways Australia for me!

I await the glad day when a no-pest strip is developed for Australian tourists. It will smell like coffee to complain about and emit a high-pitched braying inaudible to other life forms in imitation of a swell gang of fellow Aussies doing precisely that. The tourists, once rolled up into the strips, can then be loaded into the Cuntapult (tm) and launched at Australia's famous building (they only have the one).

Secondary target - the skull of the ugly little cocksucker in R394's post.

Why do Australians come to America in the first fucking place? What's here for them anyway?

Or do they see America as another spinoff of England, like Canada NZ, Australia and the US? All of these countries are basically apart of the same western brand countries.

are they cunts? yes, they are

R397 I think it's to get some American experience on their resume - this may or may not translate to better opportunities if they come back to Australia

There's also the opportunity to live in a bigger world-class city such as New York. Perhaps to have the 'New York' experience or increasingly similar, the 'LA' experience.

Less Australians are doing London, and doing New York and LA instead, as well as cities like Berlin where they can possibly work in an English speaking office.

I think Australian graduates can get a work visa for the US, and young Americans can get a work visa for Australia now - so there is a degree of it being a reciprocal arrangement (rather then it being purely Aussies taking over America and the flow being one way only).

No luck r156. If they can't locate Canada on a map, there's no hope for anything else.

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